Crossing the Chasm - Meso to Ecto

[John W]

I very much want to be like Jason, so I fixed my "meso to ecto" post.:angel:

[Mary C]

John, what we really need to see is the "before" and "after" meso-to-ecto posts.
That way we can follow the development of meso-to-ecto reasoning. :angel:

Mary

[Diane]

John, your post 58 is hilarious.
Isn't life a lot easier when you let the patient's nervous system do most or all of its own heavy lifting?

[Erica]

This is fun! Good examples! I am finding more and more when I treat patients that I am trying to figure out how to make it "ectodermal". Sometimes it is hard, but it is getting easier. These examples are helpful.

I had a patient today who I am treating for anterior foot pain secondary to a calcaneal fracture and she was describing something she does on the subway platform when her foot hurts. It went something like this: "I bend my knee with my foot flexed and then I straighten it with my foot pointed". I looked at her and said "you are mobilizing your peroneal nerve"
It is amazing what our bodies instinctively do.

Erica

[John W]

Mary,
I won't make another move towards that post until Jason gives me permission.

Diane,
Most definitely. Also, my brain likes the challenge and freedom to express itself in the interest of my patient rather than to regurgitate some scripted technique du jour in the interest of its developer.

Erica,
I'm still learning myself, and by no means have it "figured out." But that's part of the fun of it, too- the ongoing learning and newness of each patient interaction. I once mocked Barrett's phrase "individual ways of being," now I relish it.

[Jason Silvernail]

Mary,
I won't make another move towards that post until Jason gives me permission.

Well, you've only needed a minor course correction so far, so please continue. It's a good thing you have me around for such things. How did you get along without me, after all?

[amacs]

Creativity is allowed and encouraged, not denounced as heresy and poor technique.

oh such luxury, to be allowed to be creative and not be a hairy tic ...

ANdy

[Frédéric]

I very much like your thread Jason, Thanks a lot !

Since you seem to be so good at making things simple and concrete , I would like you to make the samekind of «exemple» with ideomotion. As I understand what ideomotion is, I am just not shure how help it being expressed on my patients. I mean I kidda try but not sure if it is really that...

Or maybe Barrett could do that...

thanks

Frédéric

[Barrett Dorko]

Frederic,

This sentence:

I am just not shure how help it being expressed on my patients.

confuses me.

Should it be: "I am just not sure how it helps when expressed by my patients" or, perhaps, "I am just not sure how to help my patients express it."

I want to help but I need some clarification here.

[Frédéric]

"I am just not sure how to help my patients express it."

The latter is what I meant

Désolé pour mon anglais

Merci Barrett

Frédéric

[Barrett Dorko]

Well, I've tried for many years and in many ways to do this in a written form and this site and my own are full of examples of that.

I don't feel that Simple Contact, the manual and/or verbal method I use, requires much in the way of skill but the understanding that underlies its appropriate application might take a while to acquire without the kind of information available in a place like this.

The difference between easy and simple is this: Easy refers to the task itself (gentle touch). Simple refers to the thought processes behind the task.

Simple Contact is easy, but it's not simple.

[John W]

Simple Contact is easy, but it's not simple.

In light of the "chasm", Barrett, are you considering a name change? A bit of a Trojan horse, but it might grab the attention of those on the mesodermal side of the bridge.

[Line M]

Different cultures?

In the context the issue might need an approach of cultural change, maybe this piece is helpfull:

[Diane]

What an interesting paper Line.
Unfreeze, move, freeze, kinds of clusters... very descriptive, enlightening to some extent.

I guess Canada would fit under .... solar.
US definitely contest.

Canada, maybe a cross between solar and contest, trying to become more network, but too many "contest" values at the top, certainly not well-oiled except at the "queen" level.

As far as human primate social grooming is concerned, ortho culture definitely fits the low Uncertainty Avoidance umbrella (so does chiro IMO, which must fend for itself).

I think it is also a "Masculine" culture plastered onto the side of a different one (a more female one), which evolved, and which was more successful at spreading into every corner of society as a network cluster, and carried the "contest" one along like a backpack. (I think this best describes the story of PT, at least in Canada, which followed the Brit model, since its inception in 1894.)

I wonder how PT sees itself in other countries, using this interesting new cognitive lens?

[Bas Asselbergs]

Line, that is an interesting article - thanks.