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    Hello all! I wasn't sure where to put this topic so I decided to start a new thread since I suspect that many of you will find it interesting.

    There is a type of movement therapy (for lack of a better phrase) that is quickly achieving and almost undergournd "cult" status amongst it's promoters and practitioners. It is called "Z-Health" and is the brainchild of Dr. Eric Cobb, a chiropractor from the state of Washington.

    I have taken a few courses and some of my colleauges (mostly Strength and Conditioning professionals and personal trainers) have even become certified Z-health intructors after paying thousands of dollars! Here's the website: zhealth.net

    One colleague of mine (who's wife is a PT) in particular, recently posted the following on his blog regarding his recent Z-health certification (I-Phase):

    "The money I have spent with Z-Health, although seemingly expensive for both my wife and I, has been worth every penny. I'd do it all over again in a heartbeat. I can help my clients in ways (almost instantaneously) that no chiro, PT, or Orthopod can. Is that a bold statement? You betcha. How can I say that? Cause I've already helped clients by using Z that chiros, PTs, and Orthos couldn't. How would you like to say that?"
    These are pretty bold words. I'll post more from his blog shortly as I'd like some comments and feedaback.
    Last edited by Diane; 05-08-2007, 08:03 AM. Reason: quote; remove live link
    Keats Snideman CSCS, LMT
    "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."

  • #2
    More on Z-Health

    Here's some additional comments on what my colleague learned in this latest seminar (sounds a little far fetched but maybe I'm wrong); I've underlined some of the questionable claims:

    "....Speaking of eyes, here are some of the things we learned about the eyes.

    The muscles that control eye movements can actually become imbalanced. We learned a test to detect these. And then we learned how to correct the imbalances. This is important to know because if these imbalances/weaknesses exist, they affect how the body moves and what happens on the myofascial level. This means your eyes can set you up for structural imbalances and injuries without you even knowing it. Take home point (mine, not Dr. Cobb's): quit using the foam roller for tissue quality until you know if you have a visual problem. If you do, your body will wind your fascia in the opposite direction of your weakness.

    The same holds true for the vestibular system: If you have an inner ear problem (and yes, we learned a test for this too) than the same holds true for the fascia. Take home point: Get off the foam roller.

    We also learned how to determine if an imbalance is occurring on the fascial level and how to correct it. It's much easier than you think and yes I've corrected mine. Take home point: (all together now) Get off the foam roller."
    He then goes on to state the following:

    "I/We learned just how much the nervous system controls everything from how fascia is wound and unwound to how you are what you think you are on a synaptical level."
    Now I am familiar with nerulogical disorders of the inner ear as well as visual distortions but some of this sounds a little too new-agey and good to be true. I mean, does this chiropractor really know stuff that mainstream science and medicine does not? Comments?
    Last edited by bernard; 03-08-2007, 08:03 AM. Reason: quotes
    Keats Snideman CSCS, LMT
    "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."

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    • #3
      More Z-Health

      From the hompage of Zhealth.net:

      “Z-Health is the Radically-Different, Scientifically-Proven System that’s Transforming Bodies Around the World...”
      Learn How To Tap Into Your Body’s Lightning-Fast Nervous System To Almost Instantly Eliminate Pain, Prevent Injury, and Perform At Your Best… beginning RIGHT NOW!
      Dear Friend:
      Thank you for joining us on the Z-Health pain-relief and performance website!
      As you move around the site you’re going to see why Z-Health is the 21st century answer to creating lightning-fast, near-instantaneous change in YOUR body. You’ll understand why the “average” person benefits so much from our pain-relief and performance programs, as well as why professional athletes and world champions swear by the Z-Health system. Finally, you’ll discover why high-level fitness pros, and ultra-progressive doctors and therapists use Z-Health for their own personal training and to maximize client results.
      While most training systems focus on your muscles via resistance training and flexibility exercises or on your heart and lungs by doing aerobic work. Z-Health does something far more evolved. We focus on the ultra-high speed network that controls your muscles, heart and lungs… your nervous system
      Our NERVOUS SYSTEM based exercise program that will show you the EXACT path to:
      1. Eliminating your pain (often instantaneously)
      Even if you’ve been told you’ll have to “live with it” for the rest of your life…

      2. Performing at your best as an athlete.
      We’ll show you the key pieces of the training puzzle that have been holding you back from becoming the athlete you’ve always dreamed of being…
      3. Enhancing your health, energy and vitality.
      The quality of your life is determined by how much energy you have to spend. You will learn how to move and live with maximum energy - every single day…
      4. Preventing injuries.
      Life is a “full-contact” sport and you MUST have an injury-resistant body to live your life to its fullest…
      And, because you’re training your body’s FASTEST reacting system, regardless of whether you’re 9 or 90…
      You See These Kinds of Results…
      Often in Just Minutes!
      It may sound like magic but I assure you it’s NOT… It’s just good science applied to body movement.
      Last edited by bernard; 03-08-2007, 08:04 AM. Reason: quote
      Keats Snideman CSCS, LMT
      "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."

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      • #4
        Keats, I dunno...

        Testimonials are a sign of emotional marketing ploy; and he is still focusing on joints despite the statement that the nervous system rules. Most chiros would agree with that statement, anyway. He also makes the comment that he is doing something no other doctor..or PT knows about. How does he know that?

        Six days and $2000++ to learn how to do this....ouch.

        Despite a lot of reservations about this chap's intentions, thanks for posting the information for perusal.

        Nari

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        • #5
          It's very easy to be impressed by this kind of stuff if you understand very little about human physiology (not to mention marketing), which surprisingly includes a very large proportion of people in the health industry.
          Luke Rickards
          Osteopath

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          • #6
            Sorry Keats, but I'm a bit surprised by this kind of post since it is pure advertisement.
            This is not allowed at SomaSimple.
            I'll ask the crew for a decision.
            Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI
            We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON

            Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler.
            If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
            bernard

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            • #7
              I agree with Bernard. :thumbs_do
              For the time being I've moved this thread to the rubbish cube. It seems a thinly veiled attempt to disguise a pitch by pretending it's a topic. We don't look kindly on that sort of thing around here.
              Last edited by Diane; 03-08-2007, 06:53 AM.
              Diane
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              @WCPTPTPN
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              "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley

              “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial

              “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis

              "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth

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              • #8
                Originally posted by bernard View Post
                Sorry Keats, but I'm a bit surprised by this kind of post since it is pure advertisement.
                This is not allowed at SomaSimple.
                I'll ask the crew for a decision.
                Bernard, I am in no way trying to advertise or promote this system. I'm just trying to discuss the so-called evidence behind the system so I can debate with some of my colleagues who are proponents of the system (and apparently like shelling out thousands of dollars).

                I think there are some interesting facets to the "joint mobility" exercises in this system, but I don't really think the results are occuring via the mechanisms they discuss. That is my goal for posting on this forum; to better understand what might actually be happening when one performs such movements and to de-mystify the new-agey sounding stuff. Perhaps I can explain more of what I know about the system and then we can go from there...
                Keats Snideman CSCS, LMT
                "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Diane View Post
                  I agree with Bernard. :thumbs_do
                  For the time being I've moved this thread to the rubbish cube. It seems a thinly veiled attempt to disguise a pitch by pretending it's a topic. We don't look kindly on that sort of thing around here.
                  Diane, sorry if my post offended you. I am in now way promoting this system. I'm actually trying to de-bunk many facets of it and wanted the help of all you very bright people here at Soma Simple.

                  Particularly, I wanted some better understanding of the nervous system's role in these so-called "magical" mobility exrcises that the system promotes. I've read Butler's and Shacklock's books and already see a lot of holes in what Z-health claims. I just need a little more ammunition so I can keep more colleagues of mine from spending their hard-earned cash on these over-priced certifications.
                  Keats Snideman CSCS, LMT
                  "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."

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                  • #10
                    Diane, sorry if my post offended you. I am in now way promoting this system.
                    It may sound like magic but I assure you it’s NOT… It’s just good science applied to body movement.
                    Well, such kind of debunk is far from reality.
                    You're out.
                    Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI
                    We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON

                    Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler.
                    If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
                    bernard

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                    • #11
                      Bernard,
                      That last quote is actually part of the cut and paste directly from the Zhealth home page. It was not a comment from Keats.
                      Luke Rickards
                      Osteopath

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                      • #12
                        OK, I'll wait some more!
                        Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI
                        We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON

                        Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler.
                        If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
                        bernard

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                        • #13
                          Luke, he could have put it in a quote box or in quote marks so we would be certain.

                          Also, I think he could have just put up a link rather than bringing us three posts full of the sales pitch stuff straight off the website to have to look at here. Not the best move. Maybe the chiro is paying him to seed discussion forums. Why would I not be surprised if that were the case?
                          Diane
                          www.dermoneuromodulation.com
                          SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy
                          HumanAntiGravitySuit blog
                          Neurotonics PT Teamblog
                          Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters, paincasts)
                          Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page
                          @PainPhysiosCan
                          WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook
                          @WCPTPTPN
                          Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page

                          @dfjpt
                          SomaSimple on Facebook
                          @somasimple

                          "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley

                          “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial

                          “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis

                          "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth

                          "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Diane View Post
                            Luke, he could have put it in a quote box or in quote marks so we would be certain.

                            Also, I think he could have just put up a link rather than bringing us three posts full of the sales pitch stuff straight off the website to have to look at here. Not the best move. Maybe the chiro is paying him to seed discussion forums. Why would I not be surprised if that were the case?
                            What's the deal with you guys? I AM NOT PROMOTING THIS SYSTEM!

                            The post in question was directly from the Z-Health website, it was not my writing. This is totally unfair; I'm only trying to get info/help on how to poke holes in the system. Some of you are totally misreading me here.

                            Now if I'm not kicked off this site for unwarranted reasons, I would like to discuss some of the PROBLEMS I have with the system...

                            May I continue???
                            Keats Snideman CSCS, LMT
                            "Keep an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out."

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                            • #15
                              Keats,
                              Please continue.
                              Luke Rickards
                              Osteopath

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