Geoff-
I've shown neither bias nor ignorance here. Unless you consider my (along with other posters here) devotion to science and scientific principles in medicine and therapy to be bias, in which case, guilty as charged.
Your comparison of people with painful problems to operating an automobile is inaccurate. As I said before you don't know what you don't know. Hopefully if you (or any other fitness trainer) pretends to treat medical problems, you at least get a referral from a medical provider such as a physician or a physical therapist so you don't hurt anyone.
This is probably not the thread to go further into this issue, though I lay the blame in no small measure on Mike Clark's program for encouraging this sort of thing. Back to Z-Health, I suppose.
If I came on to a science-based training and conditioning board (such as NSCAs) claiming I got all sorts of people to deadlift PRs with a new system when no other trainer or coach could help, and I talked about this kind of stuff, they would tear me apart. And rightly so. They're scientists, too.
Courtney-
Regarding hostility, cynicism, and sarcasm - isn't that what the claims and explanations being made for this system require? People promoting this system had (and continue to have) plenty of opportunity to provide any sensible explanation for the results (which by the way have not been disputed)that they see. Before your post, there was nothing but a regurgitation of marketing material. What do you expect from your fellow scientists?
Yes, we prefer journal articles to anecdotes - if you've earned a doctorate in your field, don't you, too? Journal articles aren't even required - just a sensible scientific explanation for what's being claimed. As of now, this thread is 2 full pages long, and your post (such as it is) is the first serious attempt to explain anything.
It has been my experience that when people lament of cynicism and complain of hostility and personal attacks in the clear absence of such things, they really are just disappointed that others aren't as credulous as they are.
I've shown neither bias nor ignorance here. Unless you consider my (along with other posters here) devotion to science and scientific principles in medicine and therapy to be bias, in which case, guilty as charged.
Your comparison of people with painful problems to operating an automobile is inaccurate. As I said before you don't know what you don't know. Hopefully if you (or any other fitness trainer) pretends to treat medical problems, you at least get a referral from a medical provider such as a physician or a physical therapist so you don't hurt anyone.
This is probably not the thread to go further into this issue, though I lay the blame in no small measure on Mike Clark's program for encouraging this sort of thing. Back to Z-Health, I suppose.
If I came on to a science-based training and conditioning board (such as NSCAs) claiming I got all sorts of people to deadlift PRs with a new system when no other trainer or coach could help, and I talked about this kind of stuff, they would tear me apart. And rightly so. They're scientists, too.
Courtney-
Regarding hostility, cynicism, and sarcasm - isn't that what the claims and explanations being made for this system require? People promoting this system had (and continue to have) plenty of opportunity to provide any sensible explanation for the results (which by the way have not been disputed)that they see. Before your post, there was nothing but a regurgitation of marketing material. What do you expect from your fellow scientists?
Yes, we prefer journal articles to anecdotes - if you've earned a doctorate in your field, don't you, too? Journal articles aren't even required - just a sensible scientific explanation for what's being claimed. As of now, this thread is 2 full pages long, and your post (such as it is) is the first serious attempt to explain anything.
It has been my experience that when people lament of cynicism and complain of hostility and personal attacks in the clear absence of such things, they really are just disappointed that others aren't as credulous as they are.
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