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So does that mean that our longings, desires, passions, appetite, mournings, aspirations, ideas, purposes, references and even pains are illusions and hence don't have any physical consequences?
Thinking is also action so our illusion creates concrete and physical consequences (or not).
Originally posted by AdamB
How can the tapping on a small piece of glass in Denmark make you tap small keys of plastic in France?
Translation failed/explain further because glass does exist in France, too.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
bernard
noun
1, a particular instance of personally encountering or undergoing something:
My encounter with the bear in the woods was a frightening experience.
2, the process or fact of personally observing, encountering, or undergoing something:
business experience.
3, the observing, encountering, or undergoing of things generally as they occur in the course of time: to learn from experience; the range of human experience.
4, knowledge or practical wisdom gained from what one has observed, encountered, or undergone:a man of experience.
5, Philosophy. the totality of the cognitions given by perception; all that is perceived, understood, and remembered.
My understanding is that we cannot call neural activity a neural experience.
What do you mean when you say "reproducible"? The neural activity or the experience?
My understanding is that we cannot call neural activity a neural experience.
What do you mean when you say "reproducible"? The neural activity or the experience?
My understanding is that a neural experience is a sequence of neural activities.
reproducible = able to be reproduced.
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
bernard
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
bernard
I (and several others) can't see why evolution has preserved our rich experiental world (in principle all the questions that the special sciences deal with) if these phenomena are incapable of causing anything. We are, as Darwin told us, products of nature. The eliminativist project is simply incomprehensible. We have libraries and computers because of these phenomena (representation/reference).
Is there a sense/goal to life?
Why are we doing wars? it is incomprehensible!
We have libraries and computers that remember us we make mistakes, again again, again...
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
bernard
Do you regard the most fundamental features of human experience illusory and irrelevant to the physical events of the world? Are our aspirations and values unreal? Can we dispense with the human sciences and the humanities?
No.
Originally posted by AdamB
We are not just chemical computers running evolutionary algorithms, just as animals are not sophisticated clock works.
It's your opinion but perhaps/only an opinion. :angel:
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication. L VINCI
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. I NEWTON Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not a bit simpler. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein
bernard
Abstract
Some metagenomic studies have suggested that less than 10% of the cells that comprise our bodies are Homo sapiens cells. The remaining 90% are bacterial cells. The description of this so-called human microbiome is of great interest and importance for several reasons. For one, it helps us redefine what a biological individual is. We suggest that a human individual is now best described as a super-individual in which a large number of different species (including Homo sapiens) coexist. New concepts of biological individuality must extend beyond the traditional limitations of our own skin to include our resident microbes. Besides its important contributions to science, microbiome research raises philosophical questions that strike close to home. What is left of Homo sapiens? If most of our cells are not Homo sapiens cells, what does it mean to be an individual human being? In this paper, we argue that the biological individual is determined by the amount of functional integration among its constitutive
parts, a definition that applies perfectly to Homo sapiens and its microbiome.
Keywords: Homo sapiens, Functional integration, Biological individuality, Super-individual
Despite its high incidence and severe morbidity, the physiopathogenesis of adolescent idiopathic scoliosis (AIS) is still unknown. Here, we looked for early anomalies in AIS which are likely to be the cause of spinal deformity and could also be targeted by early treatments. We focused on the vestibular system, which is suspected of acting in AIS pathogenesis and which exhibits an end organ with size and shape fixed before birth. We hypothesize that, in adolescents with idiopathic scoliosis, vestibular morphological anomalies were already present at birth and could possibly have caused other abnormalities.
Materials and Methods
The vestibular organ of 18 adolescents with AIS and 9 controls were evaluated with MRI in a prospective case controlled study. We studied lateral semicircular canal orientation and the three semicircular canal positions relative to the midline. Lateral semicircular canal function was also evaluated by vestibulonystagmography after bithermal caloric stimulation.
Results
The left lateral semicircular canal was more vertical and further from the midline in AIS (p = 0.01) and these two parameters were highly correlated (r = -0.6; p = 0.02). These morphological anomalies were associated with functional anomalies in AIS (lower excitability, higher canal paresis), but were not significantly different from controls (p>0.05).
Conclusion
Adolescents with idiopathic scoliosis exhibit morphological vestibular asymmetry, probably determined well before birth. Since the vestibular system influences the vestibulospinal pathway, the hypothalamus, and the cerebellum, this indicates that the vestibular system is a possible cause of later morphological, hormonal and neurosensory anomalies observed in AIS. Moreover, the simple lateral SCC MRI measurement demonstrated here could be used for early detection of AIS, selection of children for close follow-up, and initiation of preventive treatment before spinal deformity occurs.
I may as well put this here as elsewhere in order to attempt to throw light from a different direction on the ecto/meso reductio ad absurdum.
Weni asked what treating the person in pain means. It's a comment I've read here countless times: Treat the person in pain, not the pain.
I've recently seen many folks with a medical history that looks like this:
Anxiety, depression, physical/domestic abuse, drug/ETOH abuse, suicidal attempts and/or ideations, unemployed, currently in or past behavioral health. Physical examination: no limitations in movement or function.
I've had a folks happy when they were told their condition was consistent with OA of the hip and knee. They were happy to hear this with great self management and satisfaction. I've seen this diagnosis crush and consume people into disuse/deconditioning life altering states
What am I getting at? I don't think anyone really knows what "treating the person with pain" means. In the end we'll try to educate in a non-threatening way, re-assure, promote movement and activity and self management. They, the patient in pain, will choose the outcome, not us.
"The views expressed here are my own and do not reflect the views of my employer."
What am I getting at? I don't think anyone really knows what "treating the person with pain" means.
Perhaps -
I would like to make a distinction here, though. I often hear therapists say that they don't treat the "painful part", they treat the "whole/entire patient." When I hear this, I feel like dry-heaving, because this usually means that they continue to look at the entire body as mechanistic and simply think that by looking more proximal and distal from the injury (as if this would somehow provide consistently reliable information regarding the patient's presentation). But it sounds good, and affords them a holier-than-thou perspective, because they look for more - and harder - than the next clinician down the road.
By the same token, I can see how "treating the person with pain" can be "heave-worthy" as well. I can imagine people who look at the NM and read an article or two about BPS approach to care thinking that they "treat the whole person" by adding a PHQ-2 to their eval. Without fully thinking about what a "person" is and without thinking deeply about the issues being raised in the thread I linked to above, these words are hollow and are just another thing therapists say (e.g. 'patient-centered) because it makes them sound smart and holistic.
[my bolds] In the end we'll try to educate in a non-threatening way, re-assure, promote movement and activity and self management. They, the patient in pain, will choose the outcome, not us.
You said above that we don't know "what 'treating the person with pain' means".
I would argue that we do know - you are already doing it.
I agree with the throwing up part, but what of the neighbor/friend/relative who says, "I know this person, and they could not have done this." This is commonly said.
Many are still trying to provide options, both meso and ecto. These options are still just shots in the dark, many with fancy "deeper" explanations. There are many examples at SS. If pain is like hunger or thirst, why do we keep treating it like cancer? How many people are willing to promote acceptance to the patient? I'm sure the number is small.
Many are still trying to provide options, both meso and ecto. These options are still just shots in the dark, many with fancy "deeper" explanations. There are many examples at SS. If pain is like hunger or thirst, why do we keep treating it like cancer? How many people are willing to promote acceptance to the patient? I'm sure the number is small.
The only thing that kept me from joining you to meet Bronnie in Chicago was an annual pilgrimage to the Poconos with my son for the NASCAR race. If it had been any other weekend, I would have shared the time with you and bought you a drink.
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