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    Hi Byron,

    I went ahead and started a thread for questions about and discussion of your Chestnut Challenge thread. I'm in. I'll do it.

    That "no links" part might be my nemesis.
    "I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris

  • #2
    From your thread:

    Try to answer this question "What people need to know that I have learned about pain and therapy is...."
    While this is more of a statement than a question I think I generally get it. But I want to clarify who "people" are in this project. Knowing your audience is important and "people" could be co-workers, patients, or some other group altogether.
    "I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris

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    • #3
      Hi Jon,

      I am so glad that you decided to take part.

      I know that the no links part was a challenge and almost goes against the thrust of most threads, but the reason is that it needs to be from you and your mind as you have digested it and now understand it.

      This will hopefully give many different perspectives of very similar topics.
      The idea had been in my mind for sometime and, to be honest, I am still figuring some of it out.

      Let's start by saying that the intended audience is people in the "service" industry. By that I mean what Barrett refers to when he talks about serving vs. helping.

      I hope to use this as tool to bring people who are on the edge of their various professions, Maybe questioning PT, or OT, or RMT, or hopefully someday Yoga mesodermalism so that they come to SS to learn. I don't know if that really narrows it down or not.

      Thanks again for being "in". I am having trouble starting my own post. A little bit of fear showing
      Byron Selorme -SomaSimpleton and Science Based Yoga Educator
      Shavasana Yoga Center

      "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

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      • #4
        Great idea, Byron.
        Jason Silvernail DPT, DSc, FAAOMPT
        Board-Certified in Orthopedic Physical Therapy
        Fellowship-Trained in Orthopedic Manual Therapy

        Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist


        The views expressed in this entry are those of the author alone and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the US Government.

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        • #5
          Ooh, good idea. It's very hard to write fewer than 400 words. Samurai sword pounding.
          Diane
          www.dermoneuromodulation.com
          SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy
          HumanAntiGravitySuit blog
          Neurotonics PT Teamblog
          Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters, paincasts)
          Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page
          @PainPhysiosCan
          WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook
          @WCPTPTPN
          Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page

          @dfjpt
          SomaSimple on Facebook
          @somasimple

          "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley

          “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial

          “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis

          "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth

          "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

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          • #6
            Good idea, Byron.
            If you are looking for those who were (or are) dissatisfied with what they were trained to do plus numerous unsatisfactory courses post-grad, I suspect there are many of them.

            I was one such PT; but for me the 'transformation' was very easy.
            More later after I compose a condensed version.

            Nari

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            • #7
              I'm in, may take a while to think through to get all the info in the brevity that is required (which I I hate (easier to just write without that limitation) but also like (great challenge to make each word and phrase of depth and breath))
              Kory Zimney, PT, DPT

              http://koryzimney.blogspot.com

              "Study principles not methods, a mind that can grasp principles will create its own methods." - Gill

              "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei

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              • #8
                I think it's 400 words. I used more than two paragraphs though. May it be OK as is. Or must I try to jam it into two paragraphs arbitrarily?
                Diane
                www.dermoneuromodulation.com
                SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy
                HumanAntiGravitySuit blog
                Neurotonics PT Teamblog
                Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters, paincasts)
                Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page
                @PainPhysiosCan
                WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook
                @WCPTPTPN
                Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page

                @dfjpt
                SomaSimple on Facebook
                @somasimple

                "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley

                “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial

                “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis

                "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth

                "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

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                • #9
                  Wow!

                  Hi Diane,

                  All I can say is WOW!thumbs_up
                  I like your layout it is clear and boy does it cover a lot.

                  I think you are right. 2 paragraphs was arbitrary and I am taking that out now as it makes things a little too cramped. The main reason for the restriction (and maybe not necessary) was to try and get as many people as possible on one page. Perhaps that is governed by number of posts and not physical space? 400 words is the more important component though. I wanted to make it less but this is a complex topic and I wanted to be fair to those with a heap of things to say

                  You will need to edit a bit though. Currently you are 127 words over budget . Back to the Samurai sword work
                  Byron Selorme -SomaSimpleton and Science Based Yoga Educator
                  Shavasana Yoga Center

                  "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Jon Newman View Post
                    From your thread:



                    While this is more of a statement than a question I think I generally get it. But I want to clarify who "people" are in this project. Knowing your audience is important and "people" could be co-workers, patients, or some other group altogether.
                    I have been thinking about this Jon, And I might revise this question. I would like to get the essence of what SomaSimple is about. In that I would HIGHLY recommend the ideas of Critical Thinking and Science. Things like Jason Silvernail talks about in his That Grinds My Gears

                    I will take suggestions on that one if anyone has a better way to phrase the question. Diane's post gets to a lot of SS in my opinion.
                    Byron Selorme -SomaSimpleton and Science Based Yoga Educator
                    Shavasana Yoga Center

                    "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by byronselorme View Post
                      Hi Diane,

                      Currently you are 127 words over budget . Back to the Samurai sword work
                      OK, I'll edit. It's a first draft.
                      Diane
                      www.dermoneuromodulation.com
                      SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy
                      HumanAntiGravitySuit blog
                      Neurotonics PT Teamblog
                      Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters, paincasts)
                      Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page
                      @PainPhysiosCan
                      WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook
                      @WCPTPTPN
                      Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page

                      @dfjpt
                      SomaSimple on Facebook
                      @somasimple

                      "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley

                      “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial

                      “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis

                      "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth

                      "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

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                      • #12
                        Diane I liked yours a lot. I might have made a boo-boo in mine and quoted you sorta
                        Tony Friese, PT
                        Vestibular Rehabilitation Competency 2006
                        Wausau, WI

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                        • #13
                          I need to stop doing stuff here in-between patients, or during my huge kitchen-reno.
                          Missed the whole purpose of the thread, used references (now deleted) and basically messed up.
                          Oh, well.

                          The post stands as is.
                          A statement to my presently limited observation and reading skills.

                          Diane and Tony - those are good.
                          We don't see things as they are, we see things as WE are - Anais Nin

                          I suppose it's easier to believe something than it is to understand it.
                          Cmdr. Chris Hadfield on rise of poor / pseudo science

                          Pain is a conscious correlate of the implicit perception of threat to body tissue - Lorimer Moseley

                          We don't need a body to feel a body. Ronald Melzack

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                          • #14
                            Your one-liner was good too, Bas. I reflected on it as I wrote mine.

                            Byron, I tried editing off line and just ended up with a longer piece/more words.
                            I'll try again later. I might not be able to shorten it without losing essential bits, so might have to ask for leniency yet again.

                            Great exercise though. Made me be succinct. As succinct as I'm ever capable of being, anyway.
                            Diane
                            www.dermoneuromodulation.com
                            SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy
                            HumanAntiGravitySuit blog
                            Neurotonics PT Teamblog
                            Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters, paincasts)
                            Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page
                            @PainPhysiosCan
                            WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook
                            @WCPTPTPN
                            Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page

                            @dfjpt
                            SomaSimple on Facebook
                            @somasimple

                            "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley

                            “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial

                            “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis

                            "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth

                            "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

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                            • #15
                              Fun exercise and challenge to keep at 400 word mark and hit most relevent info.

                              I might have made a boo-boo in mine and quoted you sorta
                              I know I did this boo-boo with more than just one person, so you did better than me Tony. I blame it on the exercise and not asking for links or reference articles.
                              Kory Zimney, PT, DPT

                              http://koryzimney.blogspot.com

                              "Study principles not methods, a mind that can grasp principles will create its own methods." - Gill

                              "All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them." - Galileo Galilei

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