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  • #31
    from caro :

    It could be said that there are two kinds of musicians : those who can improvise and well... those who can't. The symphony, for example, is full of the latter : fine, accomplished players who can't produce a note to save their life, if they don't have their transcriptions guiding them. And there is nothing wrong with that, classical music is beautiful. But I think if you want to help people in pain, you have to learn how to play Jazz.
    this really "struck a chord" with me! awesome! :thumbs_up :clap2:
    Tony Friese, PT
    Vestibular Rehabilitation Competency 2006
    Wausau, WI

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    • #32
      music analogy

      Carol , that music analogy was brilliant and before I had seen Tony's reply i have saved it to the desktop and forwarded it on!
      Without the 'dots' (notes) many people are lost , its hard to learn by ear --you have to learn to turn the language centre off , many people claim they are tone deaf ......
      I do 'trad' music ---there are regional variations, the basic series of notes sound completely different from one part of Ireland or Scotland to another .......the tunes have ornamentations (embelishments) too much and they spoil things, none and the tunes can sound a bit flat and uninteresting........Same with the pain explanations and treatments.
      I will write something re this thread,without links etc but following on your analogy I hope you like this --one of the most moving poems I know on the process. http://markbussey.com/2010/04/a-lesson-in-music/

      ian

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jon Newman View Post
        I'm working on my project and I find that I want to define some terms but I'm reluctant to "use my own words" when defining something because I'm concerned about changing the definition with a paraphrase. But I can't use references or quotes and existing definitions aren't my original work...Any thoughts?
        Hi Jon,

        What you say may sound very familiar to what other people sound like here. I think that is unavoidable. What I am hoping is that it is not sound bites of other peoples thoughts.

        I was being a little facetious about it being the Theory Of Everything. I am actually really enjoying the personal notes that Diane and Nari added.
        Byron Selorme -SomaSimpleton and Science Based Yoga Educator
        Shavasana Yoga Center

        "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

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        • #34
          Hi Byron,

          What a brilliant idea.Thanks for playing everyone, for providing yet more fantastic material to help us become better clinicians. Good, good news for the people we treat.

          Hi Tony, .

          Ian, I really enjoyed that poem, thank you.
          Carol Lynn Chevrier LMT
          " The truth is, people may see things differently. But they don't really want to. '' Don Draper.

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          • #35
            Gees,

            I have reread my post and I think it sounds a little bit like I am gushing.

            I hope more of you are still considering submitting your own post.

            I am planning to keep following up with you all.
            Byron Selorme -SomaSimpleton and Science Based Yoga Educator
            Shavasana Yoga Center

            "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

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            • #36
              Pain Week in Australia

              When David Butler wrote this in the NOI group newsletter, I couldn't help but hope maybe he visited SS

              A time for reflection
              National Pain Week has made us reflect at NOI – what is the essence of our teaching and philosophy – are we on track? When someone says “tell us what are the most important things that you teach, summarise the key philosophies in a nutshell”, it does make you reflect. The two things I have selected are firstly that pain is an output of the brain, not an input and secondly that pain is just one of many outputs our brain makes to defend us.
              If you haven't added your comments yet. Please consider it.
              Byron Selorme -SomaSimpleton and Science Based Yoga Educator
              Shavasana Yoga Center

              "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

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              • #37
                Great to see you post again Luke. It has been a long time.

                Byron, you note in the rules

                If your edit is because you have a new understanding that contradicts an old one, leave the old idea intact but put the strikethrough over it so that others can see your evolution.
                I'd like to suggest that if people add information (as opposed to editing), that they do it in a new color or somehow date it.

                Also, are edits/add-ons allowed to push past the 400 word limit?
                "I did a small amount of web-based research, and what I found is disturbing"--Bob Morris

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                • #38
                  My intention is for the 400 words to appear clear and clean for reading purposes. This thread may hopefully introduce many people to the thought process going on at SS and easy on the eyes is important.

                  I think your idea
                  I'd like to suggest that if people add information (as opposed to editing), that they do it in a new color or somehow date it.
                  Is a good one, I will edit the front to include that. What I am thinking is that maybe we need the old ideas to go below the whole article. I can see that they it might mess clutter up the article post if the idea sentence gets so too many strikethoughs.

                  Grammar and wording do NOT need the strikethrough they can be deleted completely if the essence of the sentence is still intact.

                  In regards to pushing past 400. I think keeping the main post to 400 is good. The old ideas can get put to the bottom of the post in colour or bold and with a date. These do not count as part of the word count (only fair).

                  I am in awe of how many ways there are to express ideas. And I really appreciate everyone that has contributed to it (hint hint )
                  Byron Selorme -SomaSimpleton and Science Based Yoga Educator
                  Shavasana Yoga Center

                  "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself - and you are the easiest person to fool" Richard Feynman

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                  • #39
                    WOW this is hard! Such a brilliant exercise in brevity and clarity, I've stolen it and used it in an occupational therapy discussion group on Facebook (hope no-one minds), not discussing pain though. I'm working on my contribution now...
                    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. ~Aristotle
                    Healthskills

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by bernard View Post
                      What people need to know that I have learned about pain and therapy is...

                      That unfortunately (?) I forgot quite all the things I learned at PT school...
                      I started to lurk at NOI discussion lists in 2003 and thought it was some alien forum since neurology and neurophysiology was not a priority for me and the majority of colleagues! Really?
                      Then I studied I was wrong at both ends:

                      That complex nervous system, running everywhere in our body, was of major importance and like a bad boy it may be sometimes irritable and angry when our action is not well understood or accepted by its owner: the patient.

                      Some years later, the major lessons I apply each day are :

                      • The first one is Listen and Learn!
                      • The second one is Less is More!
                      :clap2:
                      Jason Silvernail DPT, DSc, FAAOMPT
                      Board-Certified in Orthopedic Physical Therapy
                      Fellowship-Trained in Orthopedic Manual Therapy

                      Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist


                      The views expressed in this entry are those of the author alone and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the US Government.

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                      • #41
                        "Exercise is necessary for a healthy life, but patients should be allowed to move comfortably before they are urged to move with effort. The nervous system learns every step of the way. We should always be asking ourselves what we are teaching it." Texas Ortho in the chestnut challenge

                        I like this. I come across so many patients who think that gentle is no good. That self guided, and exploratory is incomprehensible.

                        I come across so many therapists that think that straight plane, and good old Sahrmann length/ strength is the cure to all evils.

                        I believe this quotation will find it to my bulletin board--duly credited of course.

                        Geralyn

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                        • #42
                          Thanks Geralyn! Also thanks to Byron for the idea. I spent some time working on that this week and it was a very helpful exercise.
                          Rod Henderson, PT, ScD, OCS
                          It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into. — Jonathan Swift

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