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  • #31
    Originally posted by proud View Post

    Game changer: Recognizing NO ONE can teach have to learn. And there is a BIG difference.


    • #32
      To get this thread going (because I think it's a good one):
      My game-changer was this forum which I stumbled upon by accident some time ago. Having some decent success with the ectodermal approach right now, I have to admit that I know he game has changed - but I still don't fully understand the rules it is played by!
      There's stuff to learn!

      Originally posted by nari View Post
      You gotta UNDERSTAND what you are doing and WHY you are doing it instead of some off-field technique learned with Alice In Wonderland's guidance.
      That's the main issue I'm working on!
      Last edited by thomas_c; 16-06-2014, 03:02 PM.
      "What you believe is what you see. The label is the behavior. Concepts determine percepts." - Michael Shermer

      "God was never on your side" - Motörhead


      • #33
        1. Soma Simple has been a massive game changer for me.
        2. The mantras - Hurt doesn't equal harm and Motion is lotion and Less is more.
        3. My own experiences with pain and suffering.
        4. Explain Pain
        5. DNM and SC (always wanting to know more about these)
        "Physicians are many in name and title, but few in reality." --Hippocrates

        "Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive." --Elbert Hubbard


        • #34
          Before begining PT school I questioned PTs teaching patients normal posture because what was normal? Everybody is different. Fast forward to 3rd year of PT school and John Ware gave a discussion on the neuromatrix which planted a seed. Luckily John was kind enough to let me observe how he treated a few patients and pointed me toward SS and Barrett's course which was refreshing because he encouraged us to think instead of 'here is what to do and do it because that's what I say/how its been done.'


          • #35

            What course did you attend?
            Barrett L. Dorko


            • #36
              Michael was in Houston.

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              John Ware, PT
              Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists
              "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson
              “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot
              be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3


              • #37
                For me it was being at a lecture with David Butler several years ago. I had suffered from chronic neck pain for years. Fear avoidance and catastrophization had become my life. yet not one PT or MD (or myself for that matter) I went to at this time ever talked about this aspect of pain. I did not know the neuroscience behind pain and thought that every time I would have a flare up of intense pain it was "my fault". After being at that course and then having the pleasure of sitting down with David for a few hours a couple of days later my whole outlook on pain and my life changed. I read everything I could about the neuroscience behind pain and came here to Some Simple (I also met Barrett at David's lecture). Within a month my pain was 80% improved and now I rarely even think about it!
                For me it was more than a game was a life changer.
                Karen Litzy
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                • #38
                  My game changer also came in the form of David Butler in 1990. His lectures made so much sense and he stressed to us to forget about machine that go ping... that stressed a lot of PTs who thought they worked well.

                  The second game changer was Barrett in 2005. I could not believe how simple it was to change so many presenting problems; not every time, but often enough to employ SC often in lieu of chatting while "working".

                  I always disliked orthopaedics (sooo boring!) and learning about pain led me to think I would like ortho better; I did, because I scrapped most of what I had learned at Uni. Yeehah! I almost, not quite, liked it, until I discovered TBIs and stroke and canned it completely.

                  Of course I was often silently accused of throwing out the baby with the bathwater.....but I just let them enjoy their angst.


                  • #39
                    I was lucky with one of my teachers at physio school Ken Stopani, who started my interest in single malt whiskys and told me "You never step into the same river twice". I have been lucky to have many strong influences in my working life. Nowadays it tends to be the patients, neither of us are the same person at the end of the half hour.
                    Jo Bowyer
                    Chartered Physiotherapist Registered Osteopath.
                    "Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,there is a field. I'll meet you there." Rumi


                    • #40
                      I had an on-set of low back pain for the first time in 2006. I was sent to a "low back pain specialist guru PT." I was told my SI joint was unstable with a posterior rotation on the right with an upslip of my ilium. Damn, amazing he knows that. I was given visuals of the joint, manipulated and special core exercises to realign myself. I was told to stop back squatting and participating in olympic lifting. The back pain continued for about 8 weeks without resolution. I was continually told I was unstable by the physical therapist. I became frustrated. I understood what I was told and logic told me to find a treatment that could 'stabilize' my unstable joint. I wanted back surgery with pins and rods. That'll fix me up real good.

                      Thank god it resolved and I didn't see a surgeon. Like back pain, I had a recurrence 3 months later. Enter new guru therapist (an FAAOMPT by the way). The same routine but now I was anteriorly rotated on the opposite side. "My god what's wrong with me?" More goofy exercises suggesting skill. It eventually resolved.

                      During this time I met a jerk over at the NSCA forums. His name was Jason Silvernail and he challenged that I had any of these SIJ problems. He gave me some things to read and suggested I go to a place called soma simple. He said something about a red pill….that was the start.

                      With that said, my game changer occurred when I first understood that I had cluster headaches. The worst pain I've ever experienced without tissue damage. A 100% central nervous driven pain. No tissue abnormality, no nociception, purely maladaptive, unhelpful pain.

                      A very real experience. So real I recall laying in my bed holding my head feeling as if an icepick was stabbing the front of my eye, pressure feeling as if my eyeball would pop while someone was taking a cattle prod to my brain and wanting to pull out the entire upper left teeth because that would be a more pleasant experience; then repeat this 3 times per day for a month.
                      Last edited by Johnny_Nada; 06-02-2015, 03:36 AM.
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                      • #41
                        Finding this site and learning:

                        "Pain is an output of the brain"
                        "The muscles are a puppet of the brain"

                        I have some retroactive embarrassment regarding #2. Even in massage therapy school it's staring at you in the face, you just have to choose to look at it instead of the person going on about the thixotropic effect.

                        It's still bizarre on a daily basis. I can't talk about this stuff with 95% of clients because the context provided is on par with walking into a church and shouting "god doesn't exist, here are the papers to prove it" as it doesn't work. It's further bizarre in that so many otherwise brilliant doctors and surgeons haven't a clue about this stuff.

                        A bit off topic, I'm also fascinated when people who have been on this site for a while will have a little cognitive dissonance breakdown and post some version of "no really, I have this new conceptual toy which lets me put the neuro stuff back in the box...prove to me that the biomechanical model is wrong" and the folks who have been here forever go and do it for the 10,000th time without having a stroke.
                        Last edited by Mark Schermerhorn; 06-02-2015, 10:43 AM.


                        • #42
                          Strokes are never that far away.
                          HumanAntiGravitySuit blog
                          Neurotonics PT Teamblog
                          Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters, paincasts)
                          Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page
                          WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook
                          Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page

                          SomaSimple on Facebook

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                          • #43
                            The game changer for me was developing chronic pain and subsequent loss of function. And then I found out that my colleagues were not interested in trying to help me--except the one that also had chronic pain. that was in the 80's.
                            RPG taught me to think globally.
                            CST taught me to be gentle. (Around 2000)
                            Barrett introduced me to SomaSimple a few years later when he taught in Moncton, NB
                            Diane used the phrase "mass hallucination."

                            Hook, line, and sinker.

                            Guess learning is a lifestyle, not a passtime.
                            Those people who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do. ~ Isaac Asimov