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  • #16
    Mostly, I’ve failed.
    This is untrue. Your profession has failed you, Barrett. If you had chosen another route rather than stuck it out in physical therapy, then perhaps you'd be living at a beach house in Malibu and your son would be polishing his Oscar.

    Your only failure, if you want to call it that, is your stubbornness in remaining in the field.
    John Ware, PT
    Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists
    "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson
    “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot
    be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

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    • #17
      So, where shall we go from here? I sat down with a cup of coffee this morning and thought about what I might write next but feel no compelling desire to engage the subject of awareness any further right now. In the end, I can say that you should buy this book. The exercises alone make it worth the price and the “notes” section is especially good. As Diane says, Baniel seems to have “cracked the code” and produced a book that will sell, inform and become a permanent part of the self-help culture we live within. This isn’t always actually helpful (see Salon.com about Oprah’s influence today).

      I had it in my head that Baniel’s rather vague remarks about pain would generate some illuminating posts but, so far, she’s not chosen to comment and I’m a little tired of speaking to silence. At times I feel like an old man shouting at clouds; a reference to The Simpsons in case you were wondering.

      Chris’ post about his understanding of t’ai chi and its relation to Baniel’s method is quite good and I read it several times. “Broad and simplistic” is what he says of Baniel’s comments about pain and I would agree, but I sense that a careful explanation of the subject wasn’t her goal in any case. Still, it remains ours.

      As of this writing there have been 16 posts and nearly 500 views of the thread. If it were about my book I’d join in, but maybe that’s just me.
      Barrett L. Dorko

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      • #18
        I'm desperately trying to restrain myself from speculating about her motives in not indulging us just a little with some comments and reflections on the the topic of her book.

        But since she hasn't arrived yet to comment..... could it be that she wants to protect her method from what she may see as "traditional" health care providers? You know she's right if she's concluded that the current health care system has made a complete mess of treating persistently painful conditions. Why would she want to risk having a bunch of "medical" people ruin her method by dissecting it, reducing it to its biological/physiological correlates and then co-opting it into mainstream medical treatments for chronic pain? (As if anyone here is "mainstream medical.")

        Or, the more cynical side of me wonders if she wants to keep it somewhat esoteric and avoid the inevitable simplification that Occam's blow torch reveals, which could render her method less complex and more accessible to others who may want to use and teach it in less trademarkable formats.

        All we can do is wonder, I guess.
        John Ware, PT
        Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists
        "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson
        “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot
        be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

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        • #19
          John, I think you're probably right. If it were my book, and I had spent years perfecting and carefully writing about items that are verbs, not nouns (i.e. movement), and struggling to write about them in a way that did them justice and provided clarity and left careful trails of breadcrumbs to go explore the science backing the remarks, I'd want to rest, not engage.

          Other than the book does not seem to focus on pain, but rather on movement, it sounds like a book I'd like and could probably learn a lot from. I trust Barrett's woo-detector, and it sounds like there isn't any of that.

          I am going to buy and read it at some point in time after I move and am settled back down again.
          Diane
          www.dermoneuromodulation.com
          SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy
          HumanAntiGravitySuit blog
          Neurotonics PT Teamblog
          Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters, paincasts)
          Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page
          @PainPhysiosCan
          WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook
          @WCPTPTPN
          Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page

          @dfjpt
          SomaSimple on Facebook
          @somasimple

          "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley

          “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial

          “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis

          "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth

          "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

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          • #20
            So, a question then, Barrett:

            Does the book come across as "anti-medical?"
            John Ware, PT
            Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists
            "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson
            “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot
            be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

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            • #21
              No.
              Barrett L. Dorko

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              • #22
                I thought it would be a good idea to bump this thread back up to the top of the page. I had a brief correspondence with someone from her office. They had apologized for not commenting earlier and indicated they might.

                We're ready, and the questions regarding the model used to explain pain remain as before.
                Barrett L. Dorko

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                • #23
                  hello and thank you all

                  Hello everyone

                  So sorry to have been silent all this time while you where discussing my book Move Into Life and asking questions about my understanding of pain. I'm thrilled for the opportunity to have this conversation with you, I was just made aware of this thread by my assistant Claire. Neither one of us got the emails for some reason. I will be responding to your questions and comments in a couple of days when I have a moment. Thank you for taking interest in my work and for your patience.

                  Anat Baniel

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                  • #24
                    Ms Baniel-
                    Welcome, and I look forward to a good discussion about your book!
                    Jason Silvernail DPT, DSc, FAAOMPT
                    Board-Certified in Orthopedic Physical Therapy
                    Fellowship-Trained in Orthopedic Manual Therapy

                    Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist


                    The views expressed in this entry are those of the author alone and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of the Army, Department of Defense, or the US Government.

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                    • #25
                      Anat,

                      Welcome. Someone with the username "Anat Baniel" registered on 5/11/09. I assumed this meant your were reading but obviously I was mistaken. Perhaps someone on your staff got my original communication. I can send that along if you like.

                      Jason,

                      I just missed hitting my head - in case you were worried.
                      Barrett L. Dorko

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                      • #26
                        Ms Baniel,

                        Welcome, indeed. This is an exciting opportunity for those of us who have been beating the drum for a fresh look at the relationship between movement and pain.

                        I look forward to the discussion of your book and your ideas about helping others move better and hurt less.
                        John Ware, PT
                        Fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists
                        "Nothing can bring a man peace but the triumph of principles." -R.W. Emerson
                        “If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot
                        be carried on to success.” -The Analects of Confucius, Book 13, Verse 3

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                        • #27
                          Hi anat baniel,
                          I'd like to add my welcome also.
                          I'm looking forward (very much!) to getting to know you better (here) in advance of actually managing to acquire/read your book. (I'm moving soon - purchasing it has to wait for a bit. But I will. And I will enjoy it.)

                          "Spark" by John Ratey is on a similar topic - curious to learn if you read it, if you have, what you thought.
                          Diane
                          www.dermoneuromodulation.com
                          SensibleSolutionsPhysiotherapy
                          HumanAntiGravitySuit blog
                          Neurotonics PT Teamblog
                          Canadian Physiotherapy Pain Science Division (Archived newsletters, paincasts)
                          Canadian Physiotherapy Association Pain Science Division Facebook page
                          @PainPhysiosCan
                          WCPT PhysiotherapyPainNetwork on Facebook
                          @WCPTPTPN
                          Neuroscience and Pain Science for Manual PTs Facebook page

                          @dfjpt
                          SomaSimple on Facebook
                          @somasimple

                          "Rene Descartes was very very smart, but as it turned out, he was wrong." ~Lorimer Moseley

                          “Comment is free, but the facts are sacred.” ~Charles Prestwich Scott, nephew of founder and editor (1872-1929) of The Guardian , in a 1921 Centenary editorial

                          “If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you, but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." ~Don Marquis

                          "In times of change, learners inherit the earth, while the learned find themselves beautifully equipped to deal with a world that no longer exists" ~Roland Barth

                          "Doubt is not a pleasant mental state, but certainty is a ridiculous one."~Voltaire

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                          • #28
                            welcome

                            hallo Anat,
                            I would also like to welcome you. I have seen a few of your videos and as a paediatric physiotherapist, I am very interested.

                            Esther

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                            • #29
                              Hello Anat,

                              I have just started reading your book thanks to the recommendation from Barrett. So far it seems to incorporate many of the tenants of neuroplasticity that is required to make positive changes in movement and pain. Look forward to your responses.

                              Chad

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                              • #30
                                Dear Anat,

                                Congratulations on the birth of your book. A long-term colleague of mine, Jenna S. from Florida, has completed your training. I am so impressed by how your work helps the pediatric population organize their neurology for movement and function, and I appreciate the neuro-logic of it. I'm grateful to see how your work has helped Jenna as well.

                                Best wishes as your book and your work move forward into life.

                                Cathy

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