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[dim66]

excerption
"...myofascial unwinding (ideomotor movement!?)- a conscious strategic diversion of the central nervous system, which directs the therapeutic treatment of the forces in the body, while retaining control over the patient's physician ..."

[Barrett Dorko]

As soon as I saw the word "conscious" I was stumped.

I can't tell you what that word means exactly, but clearly it doesn't belong in a description of ideomotor activity.

[Ken Jakalski]

Hi Barrett!

Many of your posts have had a direct bearing on my teaching career, and they continue to influence my coaching career.

It seems to me that our colleagues who use strengthening for painful problems, and they are legion, have made a similar mistake. Having had a little luck with this on a large scale (and I do mean luck) they have simply applied the same principles to increasingly smaller muscle groups, intricately choreographing precise routines of contraction that we are increasingly familiar with but have shown no real tendency to solve the majority of painful problems out there. Why would they?

This is what I'm seeing more and more among my colleagues:

Perhaps we can put it this way: Therapists assume that painful problems existent in the absence of pathology have a common origin – biomechanics. In this they are mistaken. The common origin is neurobiologic

Owen Anderson once noted the following:

"Exercise scientists have searched for an optima among elite runners, thinking that the very best runners would have naturally developed biomechanical patterns which promote the highest-possible running velocities and simultaneously block injuries. Instead of finding predictable kinetics among the elites, however, the scientists have discovered wide variation in biomechanical variables.

Take maximum knee flexion during the swing phase of the gait cycle, for example. Some elites flex their knees a lot during swing, reaching angles as great at 140 degrees, but others only flex to 109 degrees (the angle of the knee during running is defined as the angle between the actual position of the shin and an imaginary line drawn to indicate the position that the shin would occupy if the leg were perfectly straight; knee angle is zero when the leg is perfectly straight). This kind of variation is found when almost all other biomechanical variables are studied.

In other words, scientific research suggests that running biomechanics are highly personal and probably depend on such individual characteristics as skeletal structure, flexibility, joint stiffness, muscle length, overall muscular strength, and neural coordination of gait. There is not an optimal biomechanical pattern which can be applied to you – which can be used to change your individual biomechanics and thus alter your performances and risk of injury in a predictable way."

[dim66]

As soon as I saw the word "conscious" I was stumped.

I can't tell you what that word means exactly, but clearly it doesn't belong in a description of ideomotor activity.

From the point of view of logic, you're right.
Most likely inaccurate translation.
French - Russian - English.
Probably meant "active"

[Barrett Dorko]

Dimitii,

Yes. Active makes sense, and we're learning that active may be split into conscious and unconscious. This doesn't help completely, but a bit.

As it turns out, what doesn't surprise us was probably planned unconsciously prior to its expression. I'm pretty sure that's a conclusion of Libet's research.

There's more, but I have to get back to work. Great topic.

[MinkiKimSI]

I'm bumping this thread. I found quotable nuggets from Barrett and Diane that are worth a read and a reread.

Bump!

[Barrett Dorko]

Minki,

I appreciate the phenomenal effort you're showing. I have the sense that it displays something about you.

Your clients must sense this. Maybe not, but you can look in the mirror.

[MinkiKimSI]

Haha maybe, maybe not. Sometimes I get the sense they think I'm talking nonsensical fluff. Or they think I'm a hippie associating me with the New Age types Structural Integrators are known for.