order or chaos or orderly chaos?

[nari]

Posing questions nobody really knows about, but might draw a few bites..

Starting with the Orion nebula (the star nursery) and ending up with Albert (Einstein) or similar......

Plan?

Chaos?

Selected chaos?

Bernard, I'm really not trying to distract from the neuron, but it's sitting there in the questions anyway.

I'm fishing...


Nari

[bernard]

If planned then...???
If chaos => chaos
If ranged chaos => Harmony and life

but why is it ranged?

[nari]

Indeed....why?

[bernard]

The only response I could have, brings me to the first sentence: It is planned?

I can't reply to such question because I'm only a man. :wink:

[Diane]

I recommend a book called "Ubiquity, The Science of History or Why the World is Simpler That We Think", by Mark Buchanan. He talks about mathmatical models, catastophic events and our inability to accurately predict them, and the chaos inherent in both human-made and natural events. It's a lot more interesting than I can describe, particularly when it discusses chaos in the natural world, e.g., geophysicists are "duped by their very human desire to discover regular cycles where there are none."
Diane

[bernard]

Here is the link =>

Ubiquity : The Science of History . . . or Why the World Is Simpler Than We Think (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/060960810X/qid=1120229522/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_ur_2/102-8171109-0440110?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

[nari]

Thanks for the link, Diane and Bernard...

Diane, your point that mankind/personkind/whatever is often looking for order is a good one. If one searches for order, it will be found; if one only searches for evidence of chaos, it will be found; it is accepting the combination of both states that intrigues me at present, and how compatible (or not) each state is with the other at any point in time.

A task amongst others for the retirement state - combination of both!


Nari

[pablo]

Nari,

You have lost me with this one! What have you been reading?

Pablo

[nari]

I wasn't going to reveal the source - I wanted to see what others thought about the topic! I'm devious but there you are...

Nari

[bernard]

it is accepting the combination of both states that intrigues me at present, and how compatible

Everyday I'm amazed with complexity and simplicity of Nature. Both are standing equally at the same time, everywhere.

Often, I'm asking myself to know if chaotic behaviours are the result of our inability to understand/solve/describe accurately the facts. There is nothing to see with Uncertainty (probability) but merely I'm thinking that man is engaged on a wrong way/solution that gives fatally an approximate theory with many weird correlations.

Noise is often the result of a faulty technology but not really coming from a chaotic Nature.

[nari]

Bernard, you are right - I think sometimes we might create chaotic thinking because we don't know enough, end up with a hypothesis that may be up the wrong creek, and coming to a conclusion that is the best interpretation rather than a QED of investigations. Reminds me of physiotherapy......

But another problem is looking at the wrong slate - we have Windows XP installed with a new motherboard; and it has a mind of its own. It cannot operate CDs spontaneously, I have to go through Media Player and three levels. We were used to one system (Win98) and with a different 'slate' I have to change my way of operating to fit with XP, not the other way around. It's more technically advanced - but more complex now to do simple things. Perhaps that is where the problem partly lies - we want something to suit our ingrained way of proceeding with a task (memes again?)


Nari

(Speaking of Einstein (I know you are a fan of his), my drawing of him has come back home after about 15 years of moving all around the various rooms and areas I have been in. Wherever I went he went!)

[Diane]

Well... not too sure if this has a lot to do with the topic at hand, but then again, this is the cells and stars forum..
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~regfjxe/aw.htm
Something I found while out roaming today.
Diane

[bernard]

Nari,

XP is simpler to use but was complexer in programing. You may access directly to music by a choice. (Thus it will have the same behaviour than 98 ) :wink:

You have to learn the XP's behaviours. It was preferable that XP learnt the Nari's ones. :roll:

Diane,
Fine paper that fits well there! We know that cells are communicating together (they exchange chemical messages). If they do so that mean (IMO) that they are aware of environment and collaborating with/to it. I'm sure than a decade will find that brain is composed with "super" neurons (i.e. neurons networks).

[nari]

Very relevant, Diane!!

Thanks for that. I like the SAMEDI concept; probably applies to lots of things which are a bit mystic.


Nari

PS I see where a BC ferry lost the plot and destroyed quite a few boats..
I wonder if that will happen again? :roll:
More dramatic than our ferries, which are quite small, when they occasionally run into wharves..

[Diane]

Good, glad the article fit the mood.. I found it linked in a reply at a new place I like to go, skeptico blog. There are lots of blogs all connected together, making for some entertaining reading.
http://skeptico.blogs.com/skeptico/2005/07/index.html
Lots of juicy analyzing going on there.
Diane

[bernard]

Diane,

The titanium thing is certainly a bullshit and unfortately continues to promote silly things.

[nari]

Here is a review of the book I'm reading at present..

http://www.iscid.org/papers/Ross_LifeSolutionReview_121503.pdf

Stephen Jay Gould and Conway Morris were colleagues, but CM developed his own theories and postulations on evolution and openly criticised Gould.

Similar reviews tend to criticise Conway Morris for his personal bias, but for an account of how cells and stars are structured, the book is pretty good. I am a supporter of Stephen Jay Gould's writings, so I don't agree with the conclusions Conway Morris is heading to, but it's an evocative book!


Nari