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Green Hornet
09-03-2004, 03:01 AM
Bernard,
it is good stuff. I should read the book again.

I love nutritious movements.

Tigger
09-03-2004, 09:22 AM
Hi there,

D.B used the word "may", and I haven't read that book yet.

Does that mean there is evidence saying it does retrain the brain? Did he have any references to back up the statement?

Cheers too.

bernard
09-03-2004, 10:59 AM
:arrow: Hello Tigger and Welcome,

The sentences I took in the book of David Butler speaks about the famous P D Wall => Pain, The science of suffering, Nature and Medicine 1: 740-741.

But I have not read this paper yet.

nari
13-03-2004, 02:10 AM
At the last course of David's I attended (the SNS) he reported that anything done that promotes easy, pleasurable movement in the relevant neural pattern without stabbing pain, will reprogram the smudged representation of that series of movements.

He told us that concept is EBP; more so than most of the mechanical stuff we do - or try to do.

I have to agree with him, as following the principle of treating a process and NOT just mechanically a specific condition/limb/joint, does give startling results; but both can be done if assessment indicates.

Nari

Green Hornet
13-03-2004, 04:09 AM
Pleasurable movements!!! I like when patient says that it feels good. I tends to keep the movement pattern for a longer period, not because I am pleasing them, but I believe that they are processing something good. Or I could say that both reasons are appropriate.

Pure mechanical approach does not necessarily induce patient's learning. What they "process" and how they "process" seem important than to simply mobilize the joint into the restriction.

bernard
13-03-2004, 07:32 AM
:arrow: I must agree with you. Pleasurable movement is a pleasant word with some hidden senses?

Pleasant for the body AND recognized in a same manner by our brain. The best way to accomplish it is surely as Takao said it with an active conscious learning from the human beings.

We have now to become such expert teachers?

Green Hornet
13-03-2004, 10:35 PM
Bernard,
I would love to such an educator who understands and are willing to understand a special human being in front. Some people like some fresh points of view, when they come to see me. :D
Along with science, this is why I like some esoteric medical and health concepts. That helps me expand my horizon and view a whole person vs. body as a machine.