How to sleep like a proper human primate

[Diane]

Check out the article Randy Dixon brought to share in this thread, Pain of Comfort (http://www.somasimple.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5523), Instinctive sleeping and resting postures: an anthropological and zoological approach to treatment of low back and joint pain (http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/321/7276/1616). It is written by a PT, Michael Tetley, who has studied sleeping positions in cultures whose members know how to sleep anywhere, people who never lost that childhood knack of being able to relax against the ground in various positions. This is great fodder.

I get people on the floor all the time, have them do things to learn how to flatten themselves out, get used to the hardness, encourage them to sleep on harder surfaces, etc. I think I'll just copy this to hand out. :clap2:

Thanks again Randy! :thumbs_up

[Luke Rickards]

I remember Jon posting this years ago on RE.

Here is a pdf.

[Diane]

I never saw it! Sorry Jon.
(I'd have been all over it if I had.)

[Jon Newman]

I don't remember posting that article Luke so I'm glad Randy brought it to our attention. Do you recall which thread it was in?

I'll have to read it again.

[Luke Rickards]

Maybe it wasn't you Jon, but I distinctly remember chasing down the pdf. after the reference was posted at some point on RE. According to my computer that was 7 Feb 2005.

[ian s]

I think i posted it ages ago on NOI , however its a good article . Who is going to foresake pillows and beds ??!
ian

[Luke Rickards]

Ian,

You were are right. Another blow for the validity of memory hey?

You posted a link to the paper on the 'gluteus maxiumus' thread (link to NOI didn't work) on the same day my pdf was created.

[emad]

Good article and topic .Seems people living in forests have few problems than those living in cities e.g original people in New Zealand called Maori having low risk of hip fractures and pain problems in relation to those from European origin in New Zealand !

cheers
Emad

[nari]

Emad, can you say where you found this information about the Maoris? I'm interested partly because I grew up amongst the Micronesians; arthritis, back pain and fractures amongst the older people were virtually unheard of.
They slept on palm frond mats on the ground or on concrete, under cover, and remained flexible until quite elderly. They were not a particularly active or hard working lot but were very happy and often laughed for no reason. Diet was fish, rice, taro and canned meat. No vegetables.
They made us Caucasians look like stiff wrecks.

Nari

[emad]

Hi Nari :

I am collecting Knowledge , research ,guidlines regarding Hip-Fracture prevention ,and i read through one of these guidlines regarding Maori , i know those people in NZ .
I took copy of what you wanted here you are it :

In New Zealanders of European origin, surveyed in the Auckland region in 1994,3

age-adjusted annual incidence rates were comparable with other societies. Ninetyseven
per cent of hip fractures occurred in people identifi ed as of European origin,
compared with 0.9% for Mäori and 0.6% for Pacifi c Peoples. The crude incidence
rate for the population as a whole was 632.3 women per 100,000 and 239.9
per 100,000 in men. The chance of sustaining a hip fracture increases with age.
Amongst women of European origin, age-specifi c rates ranged from 47.1 per
100,000 in under 65 year olds to 5384.6 in over 95 year olds. Sixty-seven per
cent of the hip fractures were sustained by those aged 80 years or older. In Mäori
and Pacifi c Islands populations, the difference in rates between men and women
were not apparent. Overall, crude rates in Mäori were 151.6 per 100,000 for
women, and 169.3 for men; in Pacifi c Peoples, the rates were 154.5 per 100,000
for women, and 168.7 for men. The size of the difference between Mäori and
non-Mäori is notable since the rate of reporting a fall in the previous 12 months
is very similar(26% and 25%).4


cheers
Emad

[Diane]

The size of the difference between Mäori and
non-Mäori is notable since the rate of reporting a fall in the previous 12 months
is very similar(26% and 25%)

Wow. It makes me think even more that we should all stay in more nervous system communication with the floor/ground.

[emad]

I have read the article above and seen the images well of primtive attitude , most of them tend to put the nervous system in tension-off positions ,however I ´ve seen before nerve injuries and forearm palsies because of sleeping over the arm all night ,I am compleletly against lying with head over the forearm .

In the same primitive topic , I have seen video for type of treatment which is like actions, movements ,behaviors of animals like what cats and dogs do ,unfortunately I can not retrive it !

cheers
Emad