Jason's Handouts Discussion

[Johnny]

I found them very nice, thank you for sharing!

/Johnny

[TexasOrtho]

Jason that is very good stuff.

[Jason Silvernail]

I'm surprised at your response, Rod.
It's all ectodermal, the information in those handouts. I had the feeling that you weren't the biggest fan (http://www.somasimple.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5189) of that sort of reasoning.

[TexasOrtho]

I'm surprised at your response, Rod.
It's all ectodermal, the information in those handouts. I had the feeling that you weren't the biggest fan (http://www.somasimple.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5189) of that sort of reasoning.

Asking for evidence means I'm not a fan? You really have thin skin boss. You also really need to review that thread as I repeatedly state (OVER and OVER) I have no...none...keine probleme mit taking ectodermal tissue into account.

I think the language we use is definitely at the core of our problems Jason. Two important things to realize: 1) I'm not opposed to acknowledging ectoderm. I simply think a distinction between two or more related systems isn't productive when solving a clinical problem. Imagine if an endocrinologist only considered the endocrine system independently of the neurological or cardiovascular system when treating a diabetic - equally pointless. 2) I am fully vested in educating patients as to what's going on with their condition - you provided this in a concise way for your patients. I think if you were in the clinic with me, we'd find our approaches are not diametrically opposed.

Is it still ok to for me to appreciate the work you've done or do you require additional convincing?

[Diane]

Jason, don't you know that TO is allergic to any notion that the "E" word might actually have anything to do with anything besides being just another kind of tissue to push around?
1) I'm not opposed to acknowledging ectoderm Really?
I simply think a distinction between two or more related systems isn't productive when solving a clinical problem. Huh? Imagine if an endocrinologist only considered the endocrine system independently of the neurological or cardiovascular system when treating a diabetic - equally pointless. Good thing we don't have to treat disease. We deal with pain and movement dysfunction. Don't try to tell me ectoderm isn't more important than mesoderm in our work.
2) I am fully vested in educating patients as to what's going on with their condition - you provided this in a concise way for your patients. I think if you were in the clinic with me, we'd find our approaches are not diametrically opposed. So.... this means that you don't actually believe what you just said in point 1?

[TexasOrtho]

Jason, don't you know that TO is allergic to any notion that the "E" word might actually have anything to do with anything besides being just another kind of tissue to push around?
Really?
Huh? Good thing we don't have to treat disease. We deal with pain and movement dysfunction. Don't try to tell me ectoderm isn't more important than mesoderm in our work.
So.... this means that you don't actually believe what you just said in point 1?

Wow...cranky time in Canada again. Diane you have your belief system. I have mine that happens to be inclusive of yours, but not to the exclusion of others. You are highly wrapped up in a belief system based on many facts. I'm more interested in the facts themselves.

Feel free to spin this post to your benefit. I still like Jason's handouts regardless of how pissed off that makes you. Pretty funny I still get under your skin even when we agree.

[Diane]

I simply think a distinction between two or more related systems isn't productive when solving a clinical problem.

This is where we differ. It has nothing to do with belief systems, or whose includes whose.
Why on earth have you decided I'm the cranky one?

[TexasOrtho]

Don't try to tell me ectoderm isn't more important than mesoderm in our work.


Sound good Diane...I can't convince you other things exist and could be relevant. We are at a loggerheads. The poor dead horse keeps getting beaten...

[Diane]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Diane View Post
Don't try to tell me ectoderm isn't more important than mesoderm in our work.
Sound good Diane...I can't convince you other things exist and could be relevant. We are at a loggerheads. The poor dead horse keeps getting beaten...
'Splain to me how it could be otherwise when pain and movement dysfunction are what we treat.

[TexasOrtho]

http://www.bittermancircle.com/my%20images/BeatDeadHorse.gif

[Diane]

I get it. Exercise for adhesive capsulitis of the shoulder.

[Erica]

Nice Jason, thanks. I especially like the last one on Understanding Mechanical Pain. I continually strive to explain to my patients why they are in pain and find myself looking for a way to describe the nervous system to them in an "easy" way so they can understand.

I find this to be so important as it sets the stage for the rest of the treatment, I believe. If you can get them on board with a little knowledge, it really goes a long way in helping them manage and understand things better.:thumbs_up
Erica

[TexasOrtho]

I get it. Exercise for adhesive capsulitis of the shoulder.

Sounds good...again dead horse.

[matt c]

Stick in there texas ortho, i think your the greatest breath of fresh air this site has needed in a long time, please stay active on this forum ive loved all of your posts, i agree with your views AND ALSO agree with nearly all of the views of the moderators of this site.
matt:shade:

[TexasOrtho]

Thanks Matt. In reviewing yours and another member Ginger's posts, it seems this isn't the first time Diane has pummeled this particular pony.

[Diane]

Better than unnecessarily pummeling patients.

[Barrett Dorko]

I object to this analogy and your continual insinuations regarding Diane's thoughtful and generous posting.

Just thought you shouldn't mistake any silence for consent. I personally don't think you're long for this board.

[TexasOrtho]

Better than unnecessarily pummeling patients.

Good stuff. Well played...well played madam. I'm actually a pretty gentle fella with my patients. I even used some of your vernacular in the clinic with my students and patients last week.

I'd say sticks and stones may break my bones, but you'd probably just get mad at me again. How do you know I'm pummeling my patients? I object to this analogy and your continual insinuations regarding my thoughtful and generous posting.

[TexasOrtho]

I object to this analogy and your continual insinuations regarding Diane's thoughtful and generous posting.

Just thought you shouldn't mistake any silence for consent. I personally don't think you're long for this board.

I personally think I would survive the evening Barrett. I know you'll be happier knowing their is one less person available to offer balance and reason to your discussions here. This may be the reason you could or should be, but aren't, mentioned with some of the more predominant names of our profession.

Ironic my ejection from this forum stems from an agreement from one of your more balanced contributors.

[Barrett Dorko]

More insults and personal attack. You're sinking and seem not to know why or how. This is pathetic.

[TexasOrtho]

I agree...this is pathetic Barrett.

[Diane]

How do you know I'm pummeling my patients? I object to this analogy and your continual insinuations regarding my thoughtful and generous posting.Did I accuse you of pummeling patients somewhere? I think you read that in.

[TexasOrtho]

Better than unnecessarily pummeling patients.

Did I accuse you of pummeling patients somewhere? I think you read that in.

Sorry Diane...not sure where I got that.

[aburton]

Jason
Thank you for the handouts on pain. Anything I can use to help my patient buy into moving as the solution is greatly appreciated.

Alice Burton

[matt c]

I just have to say the double standards on this site are beyond staggering, does anyone else not see this, the "attack" on texas ortho is undescribably one eyed, youve got him being threatened on eviction from this site for things that are petty and unnecessary, i think texas ortho gives as good as he gets, if he is to be evicted then the same standards should apply for all, namely barrett and diane, i mean cmon barrett and diane surely youre skin is thicker than that???
As jason stated in the useless core strengthening thread " If you doubt the truth of the statement, feel free to honestly question it without resorting to an overreaction or pejorative characterization of the speaker. While this may be acceptable as "discussion" in the many venues you've listed above, it will not be considered such here."
Call me one eyed but diane and barrett are doing exactly this, if youd like me to trawl thru the threads and show you i will.....actually on second thought nah, id rather be reading good heated discussions on this board without the need to resort to threats of expulsion off the site for no good reason.
matt:shade::shade::shade:

[bobmfrptx]

T.O. and Matt
This IS how the discussion works here...If you do not agree with the thoughtful and generous postings of the masters, not all but some, they do get nasty in a erudite manner. Reminds me of the old warner brothers cartoon where the wolf and sheep dog punch a time clock to do battle over the flock, then despite all the bickering and plots, after they punch out they are cordial to each other. I would be willing to bet that if people on this site met in public they would be cordial if not even friendly with each other. Quite the way to promote advancement of a profession. I wanted to post a pain handout here by a friend of mine , but the site is down...perhaps later.
Jason I like your articles as well. Is it ok to use them? I will of course keep your name on them.
Bob

[Jon Newman]

Matt, I have had numerous private message conversations with Rod. If Rod ends up off the site it won't be because he disagreed, it is because he likes to push the buttons of the people who run the site via characterizations (fair or otherwise). He already knows this but, like Diane, he is ok with who he is and has no plans on changing. Because his presence is disruptive rather than constructive and neither party is offering up to change then who do you think gets kicked out of this virtual living room? You can call it a double standard as you like but I think you'd keep the same standard in your own place. We try hard to maintain a forum where people can put their ideas to battle. Currently, it's attitudes that are being battled which is not the point of the site.

Rod keeps his own blog and his feelings about SomaSimple and those who post here are fairly clear. Interestingly, here he says he agrees with us (repeatedly) but continues to inflame. His expulsion would not be for "no good reason." There have been attempts to keep things on track but the reality is that there are certain personalities and certain motivations that simply don't work well together and we seem to be at one of those junctures. Rod, I expect, will stay if he actually values the site sufficiently to respect the eccentricities of the moderators but my interaction with him in private suggests that he doesn't value the site nor is he able to muster any respect for the moderators so I'm not holding my breath.

[Jon Newman]

A possible solution: Somasimple does have an ignore list. It might be prudent to place anyone that you'd like to stab in the heart, or otherwise not interact with, on that list. When reading threads, anything written by that person will not appear and you don't have to read their stuff.

I'm trying it now and it has already made my life better.

Regardless, it is up to each poster to decide whether they find valuable material here and can contribute to the profession. If your motivation is otherwise then this is not the place for you. I'm closing this thread.

[Diane]

I have had numerous private message conversations with Rod.
So have I. And I'd say my skin is quite thick. I have not attacked anyone personally, but I go after their beliefs and constructs, you bet I do.

I did try to settle the differences peacefully off board, but I don't consider a "kiss my ass" retort a friendly way to end differences.

In fact, shame on us for having put up with his abuse this long.