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bernard
30-01-2008, 04:17 PM
Article paru le : Mercredi 30 Janvier 2008 (http://www.egora.fr/commun/script/winbreve.asp?newsid=45919&news_ref=207905)
Ostéopathie : le verdict du Conseil d´Etat http://m.fr.2mdn.net/viewad/817-grey.gif (http://ad.fr.doubleclick.net/click;h=v8/3657/0/0/%2a/y;44306;0-0;0;6968071;1351-150/180;0/0/0;;%7Esscs=%3f)

On s´en souvient, suite à la parution des décrets concernant la formation à l´ostéopathie et son exercice, des recours avaient été déposés en Conseil d´état par les organisations représentatives de la profession. Dans un premier temps, le Commissaire du Gouvernement a donné ses conclusions, suivies de par la décision définitive du Conseil d´Etat le 23 janvier. Selon cette instance, «l´ostéopathie n´est pas une profession de santé». D´autre part, contrairement à ce que demandaient les ostéopathes exclusifs, «les masseurs-kinésithérapeutes peuvent exercer la masso-kinésithérapie et l´ostéopathie de façon complémentaire». Concernant l´agrément du diplôme la FFMKR souligne que «les masseurs-kinésithérapeutes auront simplement à avertir le préfet de leur diplôme, sans que celui-ci ne puisse interdire l´usage du titre (article 5 du décret n° 435 du 25 mars 2007)». Le SNMKR indique que «c´est le recours posé par les médecins qui apporte du nouveau. Le Conseil d´Etat répond aux médecins qu´ils ne font pas l´objet des astreintes de l´article 16 de la Loi, qui impose une déclaration et une validation du diplôme d´ostéopathie auprès des services préfectoraux. Or l´article 16 ne parle pas exclusivement des médecins mais de professionnels en exercice». Selon le Syndicat national, «les kinésithérapeutes doivent bénéficier de la même exonération».

Luke Rickards
30-01-2008, 09:38 PM
Bernard,

When you get a chance, can you give me a quick translation of this? What are the repercussions? Thanks.

bernard
31-01-2008, 08:13 AM
Hi Luke,

The State Council said:

Osteopathy is not an health profession.
Secondly, and contrary as they wanted (full osteopaths = "nini") the council allows to PTs that have a complementary formation, a title of osteopaths.
GPs are not obliged to declare their title before they can practice. PTs hope that is the same for them.My conclusion : the mess continues (Le bordel continue).

cedric
31-01-2008, 10:18 AM
on dirait bien... :(

Marc
31-01-2008, 10:44 AM
C'est évident, et d'après DEHEM, le texte des décrets est suffisant et délibérément imprécis pour entretenir ce bordel ...

Luke Rickards
31-01-2008, 01:21 PM
If they now decide that osteopathy is not a health profession, then why does anyone need to declare title? It is strange.

cedric
31-01-2008, 01:47 PM
you see luke.. australia is on the opposit side of the world for the french. Now try to imagine the french administration right here, and imagine that all logical things stay in australia.
so if you want to understand french administrations, think about the opposit of what you would do

cedric
31-01-2008, 01:49 PM
C'est évident, et d'après DEHEM, le texte des décrets est suffisant et délibérément imprécis pour entretenir ce bordel ...
le maitre a parlé ;)

Luke Rickards
31-01-2008, 01:55 PM
so if you want to understand french administrations, think about the opposit of what you would doYou crack me up Cedric. :clap2::clap2:

bernard
31-01-2008, 02:07 PM
If they now decide that osteopathy is not a health profession, then why does anyone need to declare title? It is strange.

Luke,

The osteopaths in France didn't wanted at all to be an health profession because they wanted to be independent from the medical system.

But GPs and PTs wanted the contrary.
At last, State Council, government and Social Security do not want such a massive introduction of health providers in the system because it implies too much money to reimburse.

So you need to register to practice but you are a service provider: This service is not intended to care because you're not an health profession. :confused:

A big mess. :angel:

Luke Rickards
31-01-2008, 02:20 PM
I think I understand.

Is this correct? ....GPs and PTs wanted to also get reimbursed for providing osteopathic treatments under the official system. But this means recognising osteopathy. Some 'traditional' osteopaths think this is bad because it threatens their territory. Some osteopaths think it is good because they can get patients who can't pay upfront.

The law gets passed to recognise osteopathy, but the State won't pay for it. Now everybody is disappointed.

bernard
31-01-2008, 02:23 PM
Tout à fait ! [absolutely]

bernard
31-01-2008, 02:31 PM
But the major problem remains intact.
In France, PTs have not a direct access and if they give a therapeutic care without a GP order, they may be prosecuted for illegal medicine and illegal PT.
But osteopaths have a direct access and are not subject to any pursuit...

cedric
31-01-2008, 04:12 PM
everything is said...
you see luke, you start to understand france quite well ;)

Luke Rickards
31-01-2008, 05:04 PM
So, all that has really been accomplished is that now there is even more paperwork for the State (to register the traditional osteopaths) but for no reason.

Well done!:clap2:

bernard
31-01-2008, 05:18 PM
Hmm yes and no.

Before, an osteopath was not recognized at all. Now, the State is able to perceive taxes. That is a major difference. :angel:

cedric
31-01-2008, 07:34 PM
that's where you are wrong bernard..
in france you don't need to be recognize or legal to pay taxes... ;) prostitute pay taxes

bernard
31-01-2008, 07:46 PM
Cedric,

Every rule has exceptions, of course.

By the way; C'est un forum Français et la Langue de Molière y est de rigueur sauf exceptions données aux Super-moderateurs et autres SomaSimplers.

Marc
31-01-2008, 08:12 PM
Haaa, tout de même.... enfin un peu de bon sens :p

cedric
31-01-2008, 08:29 PM
merde je suis pas super modos moi...