Influences on the development of DNM

[Diane]

I'm attaching a (rather crude, sorry) flow chart I made that shows how DNM came to be. I expect that once I learn how to translate visual ideas into computer images (this fall), the pictures I make will look better. Anyway, this will have to do for now.

[bernard]

A bit complex. :angel:

It may be simplified. I'll make a try.

[Diane]

That would be great Bernard. :)

[bernard]

The first simplication comes with "major" sciences and their "children".

Embryology and Neurology are two major sciences by example.
Neurosciences inherits from Neurology so it is a child of Neurology.
You can create this way a top down chart with majors at the top and DNM at the bottom since it inherits from all parents.

[bernard]

something like this =>

[Diane]

So tidy. (sigh..)

[bernard]

Diane,
it was just a little trial. The final work will take all your inputs.

[emad]

Yes Diane I got lost within the chart ! I think it contains much deep knowledge .

Emad

[bernard]

Here is a second essay.

Feel free to add relations.

[Diane]

Hi Bernard,
You are making it look much more sophisticated.;)
There should be a line connecting autonomic research and neurology.

[bernard]

bidirectional?

[Diane]

Hm... good question. I think it should be. Yes. And one from evolution to ANS.

[bernard]

Here it is.

[Diane]

Bernard, I realize now that the reason I had the original chart the way it was was because:

1. I wanted to put DNM in the middle, like the hub of a wheel with spokes that went out in all directions, and;

2. All the influences that were "below the horizon" were kinesthetic influences, while those "above the horizon" were conceptual influences. (Also, I don't see the cutaneous nerve study on there anywhere.)

Does that make sense? I really do like how much tidier your diagram looks, though. :clap1:

[bernard]

I don't see the cutaneous nerve study on there anywhere
It's because I forgot it. :embarasse
BTW, with this program, it is possible to place the boxes where I want. :lightbulb

[Diane]

I'll fix up the new one I downloaded and send it back to you. We also need lines directly connecting embryology/evolution to DNM.. :)

[bernard]

You may change the colours of some lines/boxes, if necessary.
Just ask.

[Diane]

Bernard, can you make a graph just like mine, same boxes, same positions, same lines, and have the ones directly feeding into DNM a different color?

[bernard]

Yes. :angel:

[Diane]

:clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1: :clap1:

[bernard]

Man at work.

[bernard]

Hope that I didn't miss a link?

[Diane]

Thank you Bernard! very tidy and all the bits are there, at least at first glance. :clap2:

Thank you so much. I'll put your version into my slide show. :thumbs_up

[bernard]

I have a PowerPoint version if you need? :lightbulb

[Diane]

I can make my own powerpoint slides these days, but yes Bernard, I'll gladly accept your offering. And I found one small error - the spelling of Burnstock. Should be "Burnstock" with an "n", not "Burstock". Can you fix that little thing?

[bernard]

yes, of course.

[bernard]

Here it is.

The ppt file contains the graph on the second page (I do not know why :confused:)

[Diane]

Thank you Bernard - that was a big help.

[bernard]

A taste of Future? (http://www.somasimple.com/DNMchart7/DNMchart5.htm)

Click on the neuromatrix link... :angel:

[Diane]

Oh my gosh. You've created a visual index for getting around on soma simple? :clap1::thumbs_up

(But maybe people don't necessarily want to go through my mind to get there.. :embarasse)

And there is an old old thread that should be listed in there, if you are going to list my personal memory files, called 'At least one deep model' in Barrett's archives from RE. And Nick's old thread from there called "A consummatory movement" (I think). Those two went deep in. Deep deep deep.

[Diane]

I have a couple more here. In the first, a simple depiction of what ectoderm makes.

In the second, the relationship between ectoderm and mesodermal derivatives. Blood flow is paramount, so it is listed a bit further up. But it's just a handy river that the ectoderm makes to feed itself, deliver neurohormonal messages to and from tissue, and deliver construction/deconstruction materials, immune system helpers, etc.

The blue arrows are the predominant ones. The red arrows indicate that the nervous system uses the mesodermal derivatives (as machines, mostly) to move itself about so that it can "feel" itself/ give itself input/ correct itself, via mechanoreceptive feedback (this also serves homeostasis of course).
Dotted arrows indicate neurohormonal go-ahead controls.

The reciprocal blue arrow between skin and brain means that the nervous system embedded within skin cools the brain, is controlled by the brain but also has quite a lot of "autonomy" in how it will do that, i.e., is more "autonomous. But it MUST report all its actions to headquarters, because thermoregulation is so vital for brain function.
The blue arrow from skin to blood flow resulting from exercise is to indicate that it has majority control of sweat/thermoregulation. This second diagram could also be titled "Why we need to move/ let our bodies move themselves".
The red arrow from blood to structure simply means that blood flow feeds mesoderm too, but under neural control, and remember the mesodermal derivatives require nothing like the amount of oxygenation neural tissue does (neural tissue = 1 seventy-fifth of the body, requires a fifth of available oxygen).

Missing entirely is the gut and its innervation. That is because its innervation is the most autonomous of all, and has nothing to do with what we do for a living as PTs/ manual therapists, which is assist the soma part of the nervous system to self-regulate, downregulate non-medical pain and movement problems via this set-up of and by the nervous system.

[bernard]

The first wish is exhausted. :angel:

[Diane]

THANK YOU! The title of it can be "Ectodermal derivatives in the order of their appearance".

[bernard]

Et voila.

[bernard]

Not sure of this one?

[Diane]

Not quite there. I'll fix it but later. Work you know..

[Diane]

Hi Bernard, here's a edited version.
1. I put a box all around structural components and fascia etc. They should be all in one box called "STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS (FASCIA, JOINTS, BONES, LIGAMENTS, MUSCLES, TENDONS)"

2. I put in a reciprocal arrow between skin and neural tube/brain. They influence each other hugely.

3. The added red words explain the mechanism through which mechanoreceptive influence is multiplied by the mesodermal machines and given back as input to the same brain that generated it.

4. Added blue arrow shows that skin/cutaneous NS locally influences blood flow, part of its homeostatic, thermoregulatory responsibility.

5. One of the red feedback arrows should be a bit shorter, just to the box containing brain and skin but not inside it.

[bernard]

Here is the new try.

[Diane]

It's almost there Bernard. Would you shorten that first red arrow so that it just touches the outside of the box, the way all the rest do?
Very tidy. :)

[bernard]

Oops...

[Diane]

Looking good. I would like to change the color of the two arrows coming down from neural tube/brain, to blood and structural components, to blue. That way, the embryologic relationships will be black, neural relationships blue, and mechanoreceptive relationships red. The arrow from blood to nervous system should be special somehow, maybe a new color. Green? it's a nutitive relationship, one of feeding. The arrow from brain to germ cells could be light grey, or yellow, some color that is light and more diffuse. Leaving it broken is good. It's getting there ! :)

[bernard]

Illico presto!

[Diane]

Wow you're fast!
Two more things I see.
1. Can you make the line from blood to structural components also green? Blood feeds them too, just not as much.
2. Can you write the word (in grey) "neurohormonal" along the grey dotted line?

Then I think it will be a wrap. At least this one will be.

[bernard]

OK? :angel:

[Diane]

Hurray - perfect!! :teeth::thumbs_up:teeth::thumbs_up
Thank you so much - you are a whiz with your techie ways. :clap2:

[Diane]

Oops. Bernard, I saw one more tiny thing: Could you make the grey broken line between brain and germ cells bidirectional by adding a point to the other end? I think there is some reciprocity there. Thanks.

[bernard]

only Monday.:embarasse

[Diane]

No worries.

[bernard]

Voila !

[Diane]

Yay!