Dermoneuromodulation workshop June 23/24

[Diane]

Cory has organized a workshop in Vancouver Washington, for June 23/24, and invited me to teach it. I've prepared a treatment manual (see attached sample), and am in the process of narrowing down a slideshow that will cover the nervous system from an input standpoint using neuromatrix theory, embryologic and evolutionary considerations and photos of cutaneous nerves from the anatomy adventure.

Participants will learn the physics of balloons and finger trap puzzles, to treat the body from top to bottom, and I think I heard mention of a real patient willing to show up as a treatment model.

The workshop is geared toward PTs and PTAs only - if you are one and interested, contact Cory. Space is limited to 27 participants and is filling up, but if you are a somasimple member, a PT or PTA, live in the vicinity and are interested, contact Cory, or private message BB (i.e., Cory.)
The price is right. :teeth: :thumbs_up He'll give you more details.

[kongen]

That treatment manual looks great. Will you bring all of it here? Vancouver is a long way for me.. :-)

Best of luck with the workshop!!

[Diane]

Hi kongen, Yes, Sweden is a long trip away.
Yes, we have plans to bring the whole manual here, a bit later on.

[Javier Gonzalez]

Vancouver is also a long way from Spain.

You say you have plans to bring the whole manual here... That´s great!! I am waiting for more information.

Than you Diane.

[Diane]

Hi Javier,
We will post it here, but not for awhile. Bernard is working on a deluxe version of it for this site. :)
Meanwhile, if anyone from far away would like a copy of my own version, I can email it to you. Does that work for you Kongen? Private message me with your email address and I'll send you the whole thing.

[cedric]

still hoping for something like that in france...
bernard where are you?

[bernard]

Cédric,

I'm formating the book for Diane and the site. Normally it will be ready Saturday but a French version may be planned if Diane isn't against the idea.

ps: Je pense que Marc ferait un très bon formateur, à mon avis : Son toucher est plus fin que le mien (Là encore avec l'accord de Diane).

[Line M]

Very interesting your treatment technique Diane!
Some time ago I wondered if your dermoneuromodulation was a kind of Bindegewebswäsche (don't know the word in English), but now I read it, it does not seem like it. At least no deep fascia techniques or a one way skin technique. I'm interested to know more about it and am as far away as Europe, NL. Can make a 'head' start with it already. Thanks!

[mike]

Hi Diane,
As I'm also from Sweden (a long way from Canada and the U.S) I will also send you a private message Diane:teeth: It's going to be so interesting to see if I got it right from your earlier explanations here in different threads.

Kongen, maybe we can invite Diane for a seminar here in Sweden in the future:lightbulb

Regards
Mike

[nari]

Diane, it looks like you may be updating your passport in the future??

Nari

[Diane]

I will have to get me one of those things. A passport I mean. Fortunately I don't need one to drive to the US, not quite yet anyway.

Teaching a workshop somewhere abroad would certainly be a good way to entice me off the continent I've been stuck on all my life. I could possibly be persuaded to do that some day. Seeing a bit of Europe before I get too old to travel might be nice... :)

[kongen]

Mike,

Having Diane over here for a DNM workshop would be great, but getting people interested in attending would be a challenge.. I suspect we are a rare breed here..

Anders.

[Diane]

We have to keep planting seeds. Someday it will take off. I'm beginning to understand how deep the roots of deliberate ignorance and avoidance go, since reading Paul Goodley's articles (http://www.somasimple.com/forums/showthread.php?p=33211#post33211).

Seems to me he is one of us, not one of them. Who is "us"? Ectodermalists who understand how simple the innervated soma is in spite of its dazzling complexity, and how to move with it, not against it, how to help it unfold better, not treat it as if it were dead clay.

[Mariette]

Fantastic Diane. I have just treated a patient with severe neck spasms( she fainted whilst sitting on the loo and fell off) and after reading your pdf I can't wait to see her again. What will we do without you?
Mariette

[Diane]

Someone else would step into a perceived void, and all would be well. :)

[Mariette]

Yeah that is so true.
In anyway I saw her again and did a little different this time and she said " Mm it is warm, softer and I can even touch it myself" Slowly slowly I get the nack of it. With patients' perception and expectation that we usually have such strong hands and often hurt them it is a quite a different experience to go in so softly and slowly. But I'm getting there, and I have to shut-up more and listen more.
Mariette

[Marc]

I'm formating the book for Diane and the site. Normally it will be ready Saturday but a French version may be planned if Diane isn't against the idea.

ps: Je pense que Marc ferait un très bon formateur, à mon avis (Là encore avec l'accord de Diane).
It would be a really good idea, especially I use a very, very close technics.

[Diane]

anyway I saw her again and did a little different this time and she said " Mm it is warm, softer and I can even touch it myself" Slowly slowly I get the nack of it. With patients' perception and expectation that we usually have such strong hands and often hurt them it is a quite a different experience to go in so softly and slowly.
Good for you Mariette. :teeth: :thumbs_up

It's a hard thing to do, isn't it? change how we do something we "think" must be the right thing, because we learned it from assertive kinds of people who are confident and self-assured and teach treatment of live people and their necks as though they were piles of sticks to be tidied instead of living organisms.

It's even harder to "un"learn something we've already learned; one must first clarify, then isolate, then suspend, then substitute something else it its place, learning to use hands as sensors instead of as force deliverers.
So good on you! I look forward to further posts from you on how you and she are progressing.

I'd love to hear from anyone who takes this on and uses it to treat a patient or two, and wants to write about what kind of results they get.

Marc, I think Bernard is working on the French version and will have it out before long.

[bernard]

Marc, I think Bernard is working on the French version and will have it out before long.

Not yet: I'm translating Michael's interview and will send a copy to Marc for edits but it's an idea. :thumbs_up

[Diane]

I've compiled a fairly extensive bibliography for the Dermoneuromodulation workshop/slideshow/manual and will put it here. I received a request for background material; I expect this will do for people to download instead of asking me by email or PM. :angel:

[Karie]

Diane,

I finally had time to thoroughly read your course book and for me it should be titled, "Dermoneuromodulation for Dummies," It's excellent. Thanks so much for sending it!! I regret that I can't come to the course, but maybe the next one. I have a Pudendal nerve entrapement patient coming this next week, and I will be trying your technique. Interesting some of my previous methods, called by other names, LOL, I see similarity in forms of these stretch patterns. I've got a few other thoughts of tries on some other patients of mine.
Safe flight next weekend, hope all goes well!!

Karie ;)

[Diane]

Karie,
So glad to hear that the workbook is helpful, even someone like you who has loads of hands-on under your belt already. Glad to hear that your brain shifted over and that what you used to do is now labelled by you as "previous" :D.

It's not so large a leap really. Some of it feels a bit familiar right? There just aren't that many ways to stretch skin in existence, the physicality of which don't matter much in the end - what's crucial is what goes on inside the cognitive part of your head while you use the sensory-motor cortex you've already trained, in slightly altered but newly informed ways.

The book will include what's in this manual, expanded with more pictures - it will also have long sections on embryology/evolution of the nervous system, how special it is as a comm system, and lots of suggestions on how to teach patients about pain, how to recruit them into treating themselves.

[jefclark]

Diane,

Great stuff. I will make it brief, female patient, history of intermittent cervical pain with limited ROM, history of MVA a few years back. Followed your protocol, rapid relaxation, increased ROM, pain rapidly diminished. WOW

Take Care

Jeff

[Diane]

Glad you're finding it useful Jeff.

[Mariette]

I had a reasonably fit and healthy 80 year old patient phoning me from a timeshare resort in a remote location. She was standing on a rock with her cellphone like a GPS to find a signal. She had "shooting" pains from behind her left ear right to the top of her head. No medication with her that she thought would work. She wanted to know if there was any self-help techniques I could explain that would take the pain away.What a risk...anyway skinstretch aka Diane behind the ear and neck, right up into her crown. Got a phone call back on Saturday. No problem. I would like to believe that it was the DNM, but of course there are a lot of other factors involved. Needless to say she is a convert.
Mariette

[Diane]

That's so cool. Teaching people how to help themselves with it. I must confess I never looked at that angle of its potential before. I was so focussed on what I was doing with my own hands, that I never thought of teaching it to patients to do on themselves. But both you and Nari have done so, apparently successfully.

I think in part my blind spot has been due to the fact that I can't treat myself with DNM, myself. I have to use kinesiotape. Maybe it's a brain quirk or maybe I can't downregulate properly or something, or maybe it's too effortful and I can't separate my motor output from my sensory input properly, I don't know. But I'm very pleased to hear that this whole other horizon exists and that self-application seems to work for other people/treaters.

[Pete]

I would be VERY interested in any suggestions for self-treatment-using-DNM. I've found that my cranky knee doesn't respond at all well to taping in the manner that you suggested Diane (it seems to be supersensitive).

I envy the people with pain who have direct access to the practitioners on this forum, with their toolbox of DNM, Simple Contact and authoritative, science-based patient education. I've kind of cobbled together my own regime based on 'Explain Pain', Louis Gifford's 'Topical Issues In Pain', material here on Soma Simple and exercises in Thomas Hanna's 'Somatics'. However, I have some questions:

1. Given that my nervous system doesn't come into contact (at least face to face) with an authoritative clinician who can help my brain downregulate, are there any other suggestions beyond simply reading stuff, and CBT, on how to get through to my brain that hurt doesn't neccessarily equal harm. I recall Nari saying once that she 'shouts at' aches/twinges when she gets them. Any other suggestions along those lines?

2. Why do we seem to need Simple Contact for ideomotion to be most easly accessible? Why does my nervous system (if I have understood Barrett correctly) need some kind of 'permission' or 'acceptance' from a practitioner before it will move in this way?

3. If the answer to question 2 is along the lines of 'because we are primates who rely on others to soothe/groom us', why does it seem to matter that the (clinician) primate we choose to soothe/groom us needs to be a bullshit-free individual for their soothing/grooming to be effective? Why doesn't merely being in contact with another warm, functioning, accepting nervous system work?

It sounds as though even experienced cutting edge clinicians need to go to each other for help, even if they know what is 'wrong' with themselves. Why is that? And does it mean that patients will never be able to self-treat satisfactorily? Or is there scope for some kind of co-counselling approach whereby two patients-in-pain have the DNM self-help manual and do it too each other....

Pete

[Mariette]

Sorry,Pete I'm not going to help you either as I'm quite bad in treating myself. And there are no others close by that I trust so much as what I do a few on this forum and they're 14 000km away. Usually others do benefit from whatever I have to say, but I sometimes get the idea my brain has decided not to be influenced and waits on some other groomer to do the job. What works best for me is to completely ignore my own bodily outcries and go to sleep, wake up run or really get tired after doing something active and then do functional neurodynamics on the specific niggling complaint.Not really practicing what I preach on myself....
Good Luck
Mariette

[Barrett Dorko]

Pete,

Your second question is very common. You seem to get that touching isn't necessary but that it helps reveal the expression of ideomotion previously held in abeyance. I feel that it emerges in response to manual Simple Contact for the same reason that words will emerge from our friend when we sit quietly with them. They'll say things at that time that they wouldn't necessarily say to themselves. I call it Body Counseling (http://www.barrettdorko.com/articles/body_counseling.htm) and the physiologic consequences are what you'd expect. Ultimately, it's all about creating a context.

When we focus on the desire of the ectoderm for communication rather than coercion this makes sense.

[Diane]

Hi Pete, Sorry to hear the tape suggestions didn't work for your knee. Try again. Use stretchy tape. First bend your leg, (put the foot up on a chair?) flex the knee a bit past 90, Find the tender area, stretch the skin away from it with your free hand in whatever direction works best for reducing the tenderness, then tape it that way. Go ahead, experiment. What do you have to lose but some of this nociceptive driver business? There's no best way been determined to do anything yet, just a bunch of suggestions. See pictures. Pick your part and give it a go.

Something else specifically DNM you could try would be the balloon technique - get on the other side of the knee, the NON tender side, and grasp the skin. Imagine you are bunching up the skin of a balloon. Skin is pretty stretchy, so it works the same way.

When you do this to a balloon your force displaces the air in the balloon, and it moves over the the opposite side where it presses outward, thinning the opposite side skin of the balloon. Even though you don't have "air" in your knee, you still have "stuff", and the physics remain the same - the contents of your knee will be displaced over toward the tender side. Monitor it to see if the tenderness goes away. If it does, hang on for a couple minutes. Maybe you can even move the knee and hang on to the skin at the same time.

Good luck with that.

[christophb]

Hey Pete, I had a cranky knee which I injured pretending to be a skier. Along with the DNM and ideomotion, a thing that also helped was doing the movements that hurt, in my case it was tai chi postures or exercises I had avoided. Even though they hurt to do I breathed through them and mentally told myself everything I tell patients, within a week I regained almost all of the motion and a significant reduction in pain.

[Chancellor Mobley]

Diane, I was hoping you wouldn't mind clarifying what the arrows on the tape denote? I'm guessing it is the direction in which the skin is stretched but some have two arrows pointing to the middle denoting more of a pinching. Again, I am just guessing.

Chance

[Diane]

Hi Chance,
Sorry that the arrows are confusing you.

A single arrow means the following: One end of the tape is stuck down, then the tape is stretched in the direction of the arrow as it is applied. So the arrow denotes direction of tape, not skin.

A double arrow means the following: The tape is stretched, then applied in a stretched position, holus-bolus, to the whole part. After it's been applied, it pulls toward itself and drags the skin back with it. So the double arrows mean the direction the skin is being pulled by the tape.

I see now that I'll have to redo these images and clarify the arrows, not make them try to mean two quite different things at the same time. I must think people can read my mind or something.

[kongen]

I feel that I have some difficulty explaining to patients why I want to stretch their skin. I have tried to explain that it will help their brain downregulate the pain and re-oxygenate (is that a word? :)) their nerves which in turn will lead to decreased pain and increased movement.

Most patients that I see are used to a treatment combination of manipulation, stretching, massage.. It is hard for me to convince them that doing little actually can accomplish much.. Sometimes I feel awkard doing DNM.. Is it just starting out niggles? :) Can a non-convinced skeptical brain of the patient actually respond to DNM?

I'm interested in knowing how others have handled this..

[mike]

Kongen,
I have the same problem. My explaination is in terms of receptors feeding the brain with information to, just as you said, downregulate pain. And that these receptors respond to stretching the skin.
People used to manipulation, massage etc often feel disappointed I guess, sometimes resulting that they don´t come back. The best responders are the ones that you can feel really can relax and lie there with their eyes closed during the treatment. Sometimes I poke a little extra with the monitoring finger just to make them feel i´m "doing something" to them. Sometimes I get the relaxation and sometimes not.
I can really se this approach work in theory but in practice it´s a different story.
I think it was Nari who said "win some, lose many"

Regards
Mike

[christophb]

I have to say I keep my explanations to a bare minimum. When I started treatments such as DNM or SC, I talked a lot. Thinking back it was probably more for my benefit than the patients. I feel these treatments speak for themselves when you let them. I will explain it to patients, but the reason why it works is secondary to the feeling and experience of it changing their physiology... I try and cue them in to that. Not sure if it is right or wrong, but it seems to be working and people are more receptive... oh yeah, and I also stopped being concerned with looking crazy.

Chris

[Diane]

It's a learning curve with anything. Generally I find people prefer comfortable treatment when they are in pain - or maybe it's just the patients I attract. Maybe someone else has already told them that I don't hurt people more.

Anyway, tell them that you want to treat their pain first, through some skin stretching, to see if you can help their nervous system get rid of some of it before pressing harder/moving on to something "deeper." I think that might make sense to them. Plus it has the advantage of not being a lie.

[BB]

Here is a link (http://www.somasimple.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2789&highlight=pudendal+nerve)to some handouts I made to help in my explanations.

I, like Chris, find educating during, instead of before helps. They are not expecting anything weird that way. They just experience what happens and then you explain it to them.

What I find helpful before hand is to explain the sympathetic response in relation to breathing and hip position, as Barrett has explained. This makes sense to them because you can demonstrate it to them. The skin intervention then becomes a smaller step in their understanding.

[Chancellor Mobley]

Thanks for the reply Diane. I was taught to put the kineseo tape on during a stretch so as to create a lift or wrinkling affect to the skin. This was to be done while slowly removing the paper backing while applying. It sounds like you are taking the paper backing off before you apply the tape. Is this so? Since there may be no best way to apply the tape it may not matter but I would find it a challenge to just randomly apply tape in differing fashions.

Chance

[Diane]

Yes, I remove the tape first. Sounds like you learned to use the tape the expensive chiro way. I like thrift and multiple options best, combined whenever possible.

[Chancellor Mobley]

Well, I learned it as part of a recertification class for manual lymphatic drainage. The application was taught as a means to decrease edema. I didn't realize how well it could help pain until I started hanging out here. Yes, it is expensive.

Chance

[kongen]

Thanks all for your insights! They all make great sense.

I have already employed some of the above tips, but not consistently and knowingly. I guess one have to approach this as the most natural thing to do aswell, not being afraid of looking crazy.. Thanks for putting me back on top!

Anders.

[BB]

We finished up the weekend, and the course was an astounding success. Diane's material was fresh, well presented, and yes....even well accepted. I was quite impressed.

We had 14 attendees. I had the pleasure of getting to spend all weekend with not only Diane, but also Eric and Chris. It was not only good conversation, it was simply a good time altogether.

Thanks for the nice weekend.

[christophb]

The workshop was wonderful and well presented. Nice job Diane!

I'll agree it was just plain fun to hang out and converse with Diane, Eric, and Cory.

Chris

[Diane]

Thanks Chris and Cory...
I just got in. It took two hours and ten minutes to get over the border. I left the venue at 4:30 ish, got to the border at 9 PM, expected a piece of cake, got two extra hours of sitting on my butt instead. :(

Anyway, saddle sores aside, it was a great experience. I don't feel as wrung out as I did that very first time ever, a year ago. (Gee, has it been a whole year?)

I think Cory had paved the way quite well. He must have used graded exposure, because I got no flack from anyone. Thanks for being a good paver Cory. And thank you AND Melissa for the billet. :) :thumbs_up

[EricM]

As for me, I didn't actually make it all the way home until 8:30 this morning. As already said Diane presented a thoroughly engrossing 2-day workshop that I feel privileged to have been able to take part in. Way to go Diane. You've made huge strides in the last year not only in your talents as a presenter but in your ability to bring together a vast amount of material from a variety of sources and actually make it make sense. I am left with yet a deeper understanding of these critters we know as humans.
And thanks to the after-hour discussions with the guys I have a greater appreciation for the paradox of 'low front pain,' the metaphor of today's modern manual therapist desire to act as a surrogate reptilian brain (thanks Chris :D ) and a renewed admiration for Bernard, our host on SomaSimple; Bernard you sneaky devil you!

Here's looking forward to The Next Gathering.

[Diane]

Sounds like you were stuck in the same car-jam I was, Eric. Glad you found the workshop informative even though it's the third time you've come along, twice to take pictures. (There will be an update of the manual with more pictures added. But not today!)

I guess if anyone has a good overview of progress here, it would be you. So thanks. :)

[polymacca]

Hi Diane,

are there anymore DNM workshops planned hope fully in the south? would love to attend one. also is the manual avaliable for pre sale? you really should consider coming to NZ or Australia to present to shake things up.

Jim

[Diane]

:D
Jim, invite me to Aus and I'll come. Seriously. Provided you can handle the long and possibly dull powerpoint pres. on embryology and evolution, essential from my POV but needing to be sharpened a bit better. As long as the airfare/ associated expenses are covered, I'd be happy to dish for free. And you can get a copy of the manual here for free. It's a sticky on the Sounds of slience forum. Let me know if you have any trouble downloading it.

(I could visit Nari and Luke while I'm there! :) And David Butler and Michael Shacklock. Yeah... I can see a party happening.)

[nari]

What a good idea!

Flying to Aust or NZ doesn't take much longer than trying to cross the Canada/USA border..;)

Better make it sooner rather than later before Luke leaves the country.

And I would be happy to come to NZ, especially if it's the South Island....


Nari

[Luke Rickards]

5 weeks to go!:thumbs_up

[Diane]

How long will you be away from Aus Luke?

[nari]

How's your conversational French going, Luke?

Nari

[Jason Silvernail]

And I've said it before, but Luke's visit to southern Germany to see the sights is mandatory...

[Luke Rickards]

I think we'll be in France for around 2 years. My French is almost non-existent, but I can order a roast chicken and get directions to the train station. :D

[nari]

..then you will be fine, Luke.
"pourquoi" and "comment allez-vous" are also helpful to start conversations you won't be able to finish. ;)

Nari

[Diane]

But if you want to end them, you can always say "c'est la vie"... with a little shrug and a smile.

[polymacca]

Nari,

South Island is beautiful, am in Christchurch...at the moment, though Diane when I asked about presenting in the South I actually meant southern USA. I am moving to Louisiana in September this year. Though that should not preclude you from considering presenting here. Have downloaded the manual and am in process of reading and digesting.

Jim

[Diane]

Hi Jim,
I'd consider that too. Certainly closer.

Meanwhile (and more low-key), I've got a local gig of sorts, organizing itself for the fall, a presentation to a group of sign-language interpreters, tips on how to keep their systems out of pain.
:),
Diane

[Anne Bower]

Hi Diane-

I'm quite bummed I missed your workshop in Vancouver, just a short hop from Portland. Are you planning any other similar events this year? Perhaps in BC? I'm always looking for an excuse to head up to the other Vancouver (my favorite west coast city, aside from Portland of course).

[Diane]

Hi Anne,
If you are interested, I can keep you in mind. There is nothing planned at this point, but when a little group of 3 or 4 or 6 let me know they are interested, I can hold a workshop in my own (little) clinic, and you will be invited. :)

I will give you access to the manual, which you can download and take a look at if you want.

[Anne Bower]

Diane-

Please keep me in mind when you generate a group. I will even brave the dreaded I5 and the border crossing to come--and that's saying something! (I did a 2 month rotation in Seattle and drove home every weekend and I still get flashbacks/cold sweats thinking about it) :)

Also, I would love to look through the manual. I have been experimenting a bit on my own with the tips I have gleaned so far, but would love a bit more direction. No need to re-invent the wheel, eh?

Many thanks-
Anne

[Diane]

Here's a link (http://www.somasimple.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3892) to it Anne. Happy browsing.

[Sarah]

Count me in, Diane.

[Diane]

Really Sarah? You want to come to Vancouver? OK then. :) On the list.

[Sarah]

Of course! I'd love to be a fly on the wall in your clinic. This is the next best thing. Plus, I hear it's beautiful there. I've been to Olympia Washington once, but never got to sight-see around the area.

[Diane]

OK, we could do a class with two people. No problem. We could do it in my clinic without power point (for cheap). What's a good date for you (both)?
We can take this conversation off thread.

[BB]

Let me know if you get something concrete going. A former student of mine had to miss the last go round and she is in Longview now. She might want to come up as well.

[Diane]

I'll let you know Cory.
That makes three.

[BB]

Diane,

That former student in Longview asked me the other day if this was still on the horizon?

[Jon Newman]

If it works, it's likely I'll be out that way in August. I'd love to attend.

[Diane]

I'm afraid this ship sailed long ago. It was the class you organized last June, remember Cory?
There is nothing on for this spring. Or August. Not that I know about anyway.. :)

[Jon Newman]

So are you interested in an August meeting? Portland or nearby would be optimal for me.

[EricM]

Better check the dates of those posts Diane, you've got more interest out there. ;)

[Diane]

I could do something right here in Vancouver probably.. Really wouldn't want to repeat that drive down to Cory's town. Want to come up here instead Jon?

[Jon Newman]

Maybe if enough people came you could fly in.

It's possible but not probable that I would go up. Not that I wouldn't want to.

[Diane]

Jon, if you come to Vancouver I'll show you for free; if you made me go to Portland or some place and fly and teach a whole bunch of people and get a whole bunch of manuals ready, I'd have to charge. Does that sweeten the pot any?

[Jon Newman]

I'll mull it over. My specialty.

[EricM]

And I'll hold down a table at the pub for beers afterwards. My specialty.

[BB]

Diane,

Take a look at the more recent posts in which you, sarah, and anne had discussed putting something on in 'couv north. I'm sure my friend in Longview would be willing to drive up yonder, too.....and pay. My understanding is that DNM is now all the rage in the Longview clinic. She had to settle for my instruction and is likely feeling jealous of the others. Dianesis being better than coryanization.

[Diane]

Cory, I'm sure you are quite capable of showing her everything important, landing (where and how), pacing, leaving a move. Eric has attended every single time I've ever taught this - he never has had to pay because he always is doing a job. Holding down a table sounds like a good job. There is room for six in my space. If it's in my space and I don't have to go anywhere, it's free. PTs/PTAs only, still. I'll be around all summer, so the date is at the convenience of Jon and Cory's student so far.

[Erica]

Diane,
I may be attending the AAOMPT conference in Seattle at the end of October where David Butler is the keynote speaker. I would love to come your way afterwards or beforehand. It is not too far from Vancouver, is it?
Erica

[Nick]

I'm looking for an excuse to come to Vancouver too...

[Diane]

OK, PTs, just let me know what date you'd like to come to Van and I'll reorganize my schedule to accomodate you.

Erica, Vancouver is about 2.5 to 3 hours north of Seattle by car. Depends on border traffic/delay. I think you need a passport nowdays.

Would love to host anyone who wants to learn this thing. In the short version (one day, free) you have to endure only about an hour of lecture. In the long version (two-day, with power point, might charge) you'd have to endure an hour of lecture each day.

I think I'm going to have to buy a stupid PC just so I can use images from visible body. Don't think I can hold out for however long it will take them to get with firefox. Want to update the manual but not have to work as hard as I did last year making images.

[Nick]

How about Labour Day weekend?

I want to get out to Pacific Rim as well if I'm coming that far. Where in Vancouver are you Diane?

[Diane]

Nick, Labour Day weekend would be fine. I am in East Van which is quite central, still west of Burnaby but not out on any of the main peninsulas. Just google 1448 Commercial Dr. and you'll see where.

[Sarah]

Hi all,

I was just thinking about Diane's workshop yesterday as I was doing DNM on a coworker's scapula. He was like "what are you doing, that feels great!". Anyway, I'm still interested in coming. The lecture part sounds good to me, and is a bonus, not a drawback! I'd love to hear Diane speak about the nerves, etc. I wouldn't want to twist your arm to get you to teach Diane, but you know I've always thought you'd offer a great cont.ed course. I'm very willing to pay for it too.

I am going to Shacklock's course in Denver in June, but I can get up to Vancouver maybe in the late summer/early fall. Labor Day weekend is open for me too.

Erica, I was looking at that AAOMPT conference with David Butler as well. That is Oct. 30-Nov 2 in Seattle. Hmmmm.....

Sorry, I haven't been around much guys, I'm swamped between a new job, research, DScPT coursework, and teaching. I have some great stories to tell, but no time to actually type them and read posts!!

Sarah

[cedric]

But if you want to end them, you can always say "c'est la vie"... with a little shrug and a smile.

c'est la vie is the greatest way to close a conversion with a boring one... ;)

[Diane]

Hi Cedric, want to come to a workshop? :) Just kidding.

Sarah, Nick, both interested in Labour day weekend.. sounds like a plan.
Anne, how about you? Still interested? What to come to a free cont-ed workshop?
Cory and student are invited of course. Polymacca, are you still interested?

Jon, that is outside your time frame isn't it? We'd have to do a special session for you. Eric is invited to do the all-important job of taking pictures or holding a table at the pub or at Nick's Spaghetti House.

[EricM]

Diane you're soon going to need a bigger space. I don't think you'd really need me there anymore. Although, I'd like to see the day when you can limit your lectures to just 1 hour! The lectures were the best part! I would still come over for beer and spaghetti though.

[Jon Newman]

Yeah, I'm out. Maybe another time.

[Erica]

Labor Day weekend may be tough if I am going to the AAOMPT conference. If I don't go to the conference, then that would work for me.

Sarah, would love to meet you at the conference and we can go to Diane's together!!

Either way Diane, whenever I get out there I would love to have a session with you and I would happily pay!:)

Erica

[Diane]

OK Erica, just let me know when you're coming. :)

[cedric]

i'd love to come to a workshop...
but as you can see my ship isn't ready... maybe i could arrange that at the end of the year ;)
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/large_trailer.html

[Diane]

Cedric, you are a funny man. :D

[Erica]

Will do Diane. I will make it happen! :)
Erica

[Sarah]

Just to be sure, we are talking about August 30-31st as Labor Day weekend, correct??

[Diane]

Well, let's tie that down.
Labour Day is Monday Sept 1st, so yes, that is Labour Day weekend.

The workshop will be a one-day. What day would you like, Erica and Sarah, Sat. or Sun. or Mon?

[BB]

I heard from my friend tonight. She can't do Labour day, already has plans, but would still love to come up sometime.

[Erica]

The days don't make a difference to me -I guess a saturday would be ok. If I come out when the AAOMPT conference is-which is in October/Nov I can coordinate it with you Diane privately.
Erica

[Diane]

We can coordinate it privately or here. Maybe if the date moves to Oct-Nov Sarah can still join us then or separately in Aug. Maybe your student could make it in Oct/Nov Cory.

[Erica]

No problem, Diane. We'll see how everyone's schedules pan out.
Erica

[BB]

I'll check on Oct/Nov.

[Sarah]

Sounds like Labor Day might not be the best fit for the others. I can also do end of October if that is better for all.

Sarah

[Diane]

Looks like end of October is better for most.
Nick, what's your schedule like?

[Nick]

I can be pretty flexible, I think. I may hop on a plane and head out that way soon. I need a getaway. How's the weather out there? It's been a brutal winter on the east coast.:thumbs_do I'm growing ever more envious of hearing about people's vacations.

[christophb]

Diane, I may have a few co-workers who are interested in the workshop. What's the class size limit?

[Diane]

The limit is six. There are two tables plus a portable table. We could get more bodies in but not more tables probably. So, six.

[Diane]

Nick, the weather is mild and the cherry tress are in bloom. Daffodils, hyscinths, tulips.. all coming into bloom. Come on out and I'll show you my little set of "best of" manual tricks for helping with pain downregulation.

[Diane]

So, a few people have indicated interest in attending a workshop whose date has yet to be determined, but will likely be toward the end of October. I vote for October 18th. But I am leaving the 25th open too in case more people want that date instead of the 18th.

I could teach either of those dates.

It will be for one day, 9 - 5 with a little lunch break. It will be in my workspace, limited to 6 participants, and free of charge, except for materials cost - the manual will be updated and provided in a binder. I'm not sure what the cost will be, but well under a hundred dollars, and I'd like to be taken out to dinner after. :)

The first 6 people to contact me by PM, with their email addresses, will be accepted into the class.

I think Erica, Sarah, Cory's student, James (Polymacca), Nick, Anne Bower and some of Chris's co workers are interested. PTs or PTAs only please. After I know you intend to attend, you'll be notified with an outline and some suggested reading to do ahead of time.

[BB]

Janelle says she's in for either of those dates. She also has a couple other people interested. I'm going to forward the two of you each others e-mails so you can converse directly.

[Diane]

There are 3 confirmed for the 18th including Janelle and her friend. I think two more (through Janelle) might be interested. Jim (Polymacca), are you in for the 18th October?