TMR workshop

[beachsandtree]

anyone have experience with Total Motion Release workshops?

[Karie]

Yes, I have attended the first level course this past summer.

[bernard]

Hi,

Q: Where is evidence about this spectacular method?
R: Nowhere!

[Karie]

Jeepers! I just responded to the question, has there been discussion here about it or something Bernard that you so strongly asserted that statement. It's basically a home exercise program that deals with posture. Ideomotor concepts probably play some role with it.

Karie :confused:

[Barrett Dorko]

Karie,

No, they don't.

[Diane]

Don't worry Karie, you'll find strong gusts here from time to time.. it's only the wind of clarity blowing off the dust of dull discernment. Let it invigorate you. :)

[nari]

Karie,

Perhaps when basic concepts of conscious movement given a new exciting name is what creates a reaction. 'Muscle energy', TMR, etc are, from my understanding, just names for doing what has been done for 60 years - getting the body to move in an organised way. I was taught contract-hold-relax-contract//stretch-hold-relax and all sorts of different sequences 40 years ago; in conscious movement there is nothing much new under the sun except a far better understanding of the 'why'.
If a workshop can explain the actual 'why' and less of the innumerable 'how's, then it is worthwhile. Otherwise, a 'new' method is often just a $$$$ venture.

Nonconscious movement is not recognised for its valuable contribution to pain and/or function resolution and recovery; that is why some of us get a bit testy about the world-wide devotion to PT prescribed movements. Particularly in reference to chronic pain.

Nari

[Karie]

The originator of the thread asked if anyone was familiar with TMR. I just responded with yes because I had attended the class. I assumed the originator had a question regarding it and then I would respond further. I do get the sensitivity here about certain subjects, but could we let the originator ask their question????? I'm assuming they had one but are now afraid to say anything further. Since I went to the class I do know what it was they taught. The fact is that at level 1 it is "active" exercise movement, not nonconscious. The instructor talked about level 2 which to me sounded like "unwinding" or what I am now coming to understand as ideomotor motion. I use the TMR stuff when I have someone with an isolated problem, which is very rare in my practice. These patients like it cause it gives them control over their symptoms until we have it totally resolved. I always looking for great additions for people to use to take control over their own bodies. I look at it as a helpful home exercise activity while working on achieving the optimum goal of resolution. It doesn't work well with mutiple problems, in my view, because the goal is to decide which exercise group resolves a particular symptom.

So peace all and Beachtree if you did have a question, please feel free to ask, I'll give you a viewpoint of what I understand of it. Thanks Barrett, Nari, and Diane, I have learned alot here.

Remember if you want more therapist's to develop better discernment we need to let them have a voice and then dialouge. I am a better therapist for having come here and with a little more nuetrality to the newcomers, I think you might find more of us coming in and finding ourselves at home :angel:

Karie :D

[Jason Silvernail]

Well, everyone is certainly welcome, Karie.

However, institutional skepticism is healthy in a scientific endeavor. To include physical and manual therapy.

[bernard]

Karie,

I'm particularly neutral in my reply: I just bring a bit of information.

A Total medecine/practice is ever a lie => No miracle and none is able to bring a 100% result.

[Karie]

Geez Bernard what are you talking about now. Are you referring to TMR being 100% or what? Jason and Bernard do you even know what it is or are you just hyper critical because you think the guy is a kook because he offers a course and you pay money to go to it. I paid alot of money for my university degree and I never learned about alot of stuff that is discussed here, does that make them bad too. Please Bernard and Jason, unruffle the feathers a bit and let the rest of us educate ourselves further without pre-judging us. I was thinking about taking Barrett's course in February 2007 at Madison WI because it's close to my home but now I'm wondering because I don't want to ridiculed because I ask a "wrong" question or make an inquiring remark that is not okay and I get jumped on. I have gotten to where I am by critically thinking about what I do and why I do it and when a gust of wind (as Diane puts it ;) ) comes through and points me in a better direction, I am happy to flow with it because I know I don't know "everything," and her explanations have given me a better understanding presently of what is happening under my hands. I ask questions and dialouge not to make someone follow my ideas but to find out other concepts and maybe new understandings. Barrett has some great stuff and I am thoroughly enjoying his book.

Jason your all are welcome comment was sarcastic in nature wasn't it, all are welcome but only if you can proove yourself can you stay...isn't that the rest of your comment. I sense I should :zip: . Do you honestly think that is how you will get your ideas to be listened to? I guess that is a different thread.

I surrender :eek:

Peace all :sad:

[bernard]

Karie,

It is just a fact that people that offer a Total thing have hyper-enormous egos and often a very very little method. I'm not sarcastic just logical.
That has nothing to see with money but as you point it out, that's is not mysterious that "Total" methods wash litterally your money.

Strange isn't? Paranormal? Just some common behaviours. :thumbs_do

[Karie]

Ah Bernard,

Your talking about the word "Total" in TMR, got it. That just refers to the fact that the postural components he works with are in reference to complete or whole body motion, kinda like ideomotor can involve many or all aspects of the body when self-correcting or moving. Sorry, totally got you wrong....pun intended LOL.