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BB
12-05-2004, 06:08 PM
Hello everyone,

I was wondering about your thoughts on pain that onsets in the middle of sleeping.

Sometimes it seems to be explained by positioning during sleep.

Sometimes it positioning does not explain it.

Output from a day spent thinking about pain?
Development of tension/tone from a static position?
Vascular/pressure changes from being horizontal?
Other?

Cory

bernard
12-05-2004, 06:16 PM
Hello Cory,

The temperature of body decreases by an amount of 1 to 2.5°C during sleeping. It is known that the condition is a good promoter for pain.

I think that Nari will add some neural components? :wink:

emad
12-05-2004, 10:24 PM
Hi Cory :

I usually ask the consumer if the pain disturb his sleepness,

may be due to rolling in sleep :arrow: position change

some patients lie on the affected /nonaffected

yes, in sleep the blood supply may decrease .

but i think most patients after i work good , they say it is my first day to lie in my sleep.

cheers
emad

nari
13-05-2004, 02:22 AM
Funny things seem to happen during sleep.

The period from 2 am to 4 am is a tricky time, for depressed people, insomniacs, children with nightmares, very small children who are supposd to be sleeping, and so on. It is reported to be the most likely time for people to die.

Maybe it's all down to REM and nonREM phases; people can function without REM (dream phase) but cannot do without non-REM. REM sleep is hardly distinguishable from wakefulness (EEG traces); nonREM allows the brain to do its housekeeping and cleaning up after a period of REM.
(New Scientist, 28 June 2003)

Perhaps, during the housework periods, the brain figures that pain is needed to keep the organism 'alive'. Perhaps the stress of pain during the day (physical and nonphysical) gets examined during housekeeping and read as danger.

Whatever it is, as BB suggests, it is not a simple 'positional' aetiology.

Sleep for many people ( I am amazed at the dreadful sleep patterns of so many patients!!) is poor quality. This suggests strongly that we can blame that bothersome virtual self; but the jury is out on many aspects of what happens during sleep.

:?
Nari

BB
14-05-2004, 06:03 PM
Hello Bernard, Emad, Nari,
Thanks for your responses. Do any of you have some ideas to improve sleeping for these people?

Cory